NACH3

Originally Posted by RigPig

Don’t feed the Troll.

Yeah that was a nice catch RP LOL! And agreed – he’s gotta be pullin our chains here… Now a first cycle of 600mgs of tren – you’ll soon find out how real these sides are

Just for curiousity reasons… Where’s your AI HCG and DA?? And, your pct protocol you should start as soon as you are able!

Originally Posted by TestoSuper

Yes I’m planning to take 50 mg per day divided into 2/3 doses (every 8 hours).
Together I take Liv 52 tablets (2 tablets during lunch and two during dinner) for the entire duration of winstrol + 2 other weeks.

No I was not able to open the link above! but I think it’s interesting…

Here’s the article long but interesting — also NAC, imho, should be taken for liver support even when using injectables(oils)… liv-52 is ok too but I’d add in NAC as well…

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Winstrol – Oral versus Injectable (More Different Than You Think!)
June 1, 2006 By Anthony Roberts 2 Comments

I tend to shy away from straight “information” articles- in other words, I’ve never written the “How Androgens Work” article, because I’ve read it several times by several authors, and I really have nothing to add. Gene Transcription and Androgen Receptor Action has been written about over, and over, ad nauseum. All of the articles I’ve read on the topic are well written and well- they’re all the same. Don’t get me wrong, all of the articles which discuss the topic are very informative, but when you’re done reading them, you don’t really have anything you can “use” in your next cycle.

And I’m sure you know the difference between orals and injectables, but do yourself a favor and read this article, because I’m going to explain some things in here that you can use in your next cycle. Actually, I’m going to explain how you can use Winstrol (Stanozolol ) as either an oral or injectable, and get a very different set of effects from the same drug- depending on which route of merQistration you choose to utilize.

First, lets go over the basics of Winstrol, so we’re all on the same page here.

Winstrol is a steroid derived from the base structure of Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT is just testosterone which has been 5alpha-reduced, meaning it has had the c4-5 double bond removed by two hydrogen atoms. This is very interesting from a chemical/biological standpoint. Once this bond is removed, testosterone has become DHT, and DHT is the body’s most potent androgen. DHT has a slew of beneficial effects which are more pronounced than the hormone it’s created out of. DHT is able to increase androgen receptor proliferation for almost 24 full hours (1) DHT also has profound effects on the Central Nervous System (CNS), and this is why we often see profoundly increased aggression with athletes who are using DHT derivatives such as Masteron (which has a deceivingly low anabolic and androgenic rating). As an added benefit, DHT can not aromatize (convert via the aromatase enzyme) into estrogen. It’s also noteworthy that the injectable version of Winstrol is actually the same exact thing as the oral- it’s just miBambnized Stanozolol powder suspended in water (or sometimes oil).

So what we have in Winstrol is DHT with two modifications- an added c17 methylation, and a very weird “pyrazol” group. The c17 methylation has been added in order to allow Winstrol to survive oral ingestion and the subsequent first pass through the liver. The pyrazol group is a bit weirder- what this means to you and I is that it has another whole “ring” attached to the four ring Steran Nucleus of DHT. Take a look over at the lower left portion of the two molecules below, and you’ll notice that Winstrol has an added cyclopentane (5 sided) group (the pyrazol group):

DHT

Originally Posted by superflyanimal

Just couple of other quick questions:

1) Everyone here uses AI’s, but maybe you guys are stacking or using medium/high doses. I should have added in the original question, do I still need to use it on small doses, such as what I’m on (400mg "Test Cyp 200" a week). I’m using AI’s anyway, just to be safe, but my mate isn’t and he’s on the same dose. He says he doesnt need it.

2) In the "My first cycle" article on here, it says to use 0.25mg Armidex every other day. Can I instead, just take .50mg on the days I pin (every 3.5 days), so as to keep things simple for myself. Is there much difference in these 2 ways I’ve suggested? They both work out as 1mg a week of Armidex.

400mgs a wk is not a sm dose… So yes you should be taking an AI from beginning yhru the clearing process… A-dex dosed at .25mgs EOD

So no, to your question… You could do .50 e3d but that’s usually if someone already knows how they respond to it(as in your case you don’t yet) so start it at .25 EOD pull your mid cycle bloods and it’ll let you know if you need to adjust!!(then the next step would be .5mgs e3d…

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

High hematocrit, Hb and rbc’s can also contribute to acclerated resting pulse and higher bp.

Beat me to it BB

I was just going to suggest full RBC/& CMP etc on top of E2 sensitive essay

I was thinkin you were pinning 2x wkly(as its standard for long esters) like test E/C/D… 14 days, 18 days, 21 days respectively) for clearance b4 PCT starts)… I’ve also read Cyp is 14-18 but the more I looked into it Ive seen 18 days for the clearance process…

It’s argued – but I’ve read most don’t feel the pumps for at least 10-14 days… Maybe it’s more individual but something I rarely hear(unless kicking w/it… Dosing in am and pm at very least)…