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    Quote Originally Posted by lopef234View
    hahha….no man. I’m actually just trying to be open about AAS.
    Just getting all the knowledge and information…nutritions, the basic of aas uses and also the syringes mixing thingy.
    So, when i do…which would probaly be around 23-25 i would know exactly what to do.

    Wow….we’ve never heard that line before. A lot like the "I’m not asking for me. I’m asking for a friend" crap.

    Sorry to be so blunt and negative but we’ve heard all this stuff before many many many times.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxbrownxx
    absolutely man, ill look into ordering those right away, i appreciate all the help. if ya dont mind could i get an answer on my previous question? just trying to understand the process a little better and see where i went wrong, thanks!

    Sure. Allow me about 15-20 mins. I’m driving but will give a detailed answer as soon as I stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse
    Thanks ink
    So do you just take cholesterol pills to help out with your LDL hdl

    No. I should but statins are nasty drugs IMO.

    I recently started taking a very low dose beta blocker for hypertension. My bp always elevates on cycle and sits around 167/92 which is too high. Since I’m asymptomatic I used to ignore it (mambetus’s gonna read that and give me hell) but since hypertension can be one of those "silent killers" in cardiology, I finally decided to take something to manage it. My bp is down to 140/78. Systolic is trending a little high still so I might bump my Bystolic to a full dose (5mg).

    I’m having a lipid panel drawn on Friday this week to see where my lipid values are at and then decide if I should add another compound to improve LDL, HDL, and total cholesterol.

    Diet and cardio are ideal ways to manage cholesterol but for me it doesn’t help as the gear throws it out of wack no matter how I eat or train.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance
    I agree with waiting but not necessarily because of your age. Yes, you are young, but I did my first cycle at 21 and was fine. I’ve also known several friends who have cycled even younger with 0 complications. As long as you know what you’re doing and you are diligent about being meticulous with your cycle (down to every little detail) I don’t think there’s anything wrong with cycling at 20. Sure there are risks, but those never really go away, even when you’re older. At 20, you’re likely not gonna grow anymore so for most people that’s hardly a concern.

    But like others have said, you’ve only been going at it for 2 years. At least wait 4 or so because then you will have a better idea if the risks are really worth it to you. I’ve known plenty of people that just got sick of the gym after a couple years and quit. Not saying that’s gonna be you, but you never know what life might have coming up. No sense risking your health and spending a bunch of money to cycle when it might not be worth jack shit to you another 5 years down the road.

    I respect your input and appreciate that you’ve advised OP to wait, if for no other reason than his limited training experience.

    The problem with citing anecdotal experiences is that we can find any example to support our reasons to cycle or not. Does everyone who cycles before the magic number 25 endure complications? No. Does this mean then that everyone who cycles before their endocrine system has reached maturity will not have any complications? No. Just as you cited examples of kids (sorry, young men) who cycled at young ages and haven’t had any problems (at least not that they know of YET), there are plenty of threads here from young guys who have screwed themselves up. Moreover, some of our vets here would be the first to tell you THEY DID cycle at a young age and now have permanent problems to deal with.
    I’ve met people who have smoked and never developed cancer. I’ve met people who smoked and developed cancer. I’ve met people who never smoked and did develop cancer. So what do we conclude from this? Well, I certainly would never condone smoking.
    I’m not trying to imply that taking steroids is just as dangerous as smoking….however there are risks regardless and such risks are most certainly weighted more heavily against those who manipulate their endocrine system with steroids before it has fully developed.

    Again, I respect and appreciate your view and input, but I’d be very reluctant to encourage younger guys to cycle before they have reached maturity. You can take all the precautions you want and be as meticulous as possible, but you have no way of really knowing what the risks are of shutting down a developing HTPA….until it may be too late.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldierBull
    I totally agree 100% with this post. When you plan on taking gear you are committing yourself to that purpose. If you are not ready for that committment then you shouldnt take steroids … Wait it out until you are ready..

    Besides, take it from me… While on my second cycle I went to a graduation party and had some drinks. When I was good and drunk I wanted to hop to another bar, my friend tried to stop me. I whooped his ass and shoved his dad to the ground then git in my car. Literally 4 blocks later git a DUI. AAS and Alcohol dont mix…. You are even dumber then your average drunk…

    We all make mistakes. We live and learn…..hopefully!

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven
    I know what being a hard gainer is like!! Cut off all cardio as that makes everything so much harder and try to eat high-calorie foods, i usually make my own shake that helps, usually put a cup of oats, 2 tablespoons of PB, some whey protein, or egg whites, and add a banana, that right there is almost 600-800 calories! hope this helps

    Well…..I wouldn’t say "cut off all cardio". Your heart is THE most important muscle in the body. If you ignore it and don’t put some effort into working out your heart, you’ll learn the hard way just how important it is.

    Cardio IS important.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmaker
    if the discussion is about musclebuilding and musclebuilding drugs, i want to be called stupid by someone who has something to show for how smart he is… its like – im not gonna take nutritional advice from a fat guy, or an advice in business and economics from someone who hasnt got any money, right?

    about the pic – its me when i was 19 or early 20, now im almost 23… i dont have any newer ones
    and no – its not without the gear… im 6’2 and was 140lbs… i went from 140lbs to 220 from the age of 15-18 i gues, and then i started my first cycle. i dont feel any shame about that cause my genes ar really bad.

    No one’s calling you "stupid" per se. They may refer to your decision as poor, bad, reckless, or stupid but one bad decision doesn’t make a bad person. Obviously you are making a better choice by coming here and seeking the knowledge and experience of those who have it to offer. What some of the vets here are suggesting is that you be more pragmatic about your choices. You still have time to grow naturally. To the best of my knowledge, steroids have been around a long time and there are no plans for them to disappear tomorrow. They’ll still be here for a much longer time.

    Can you give me one good reason why you NEED to do steroids now instead of waiting another 3-4 years? Too many people see steroids as a magic pill. We are programmed to believe you can have immediate success. Nothing works like that. Hell even getting fat takes time…..it’s just less work sitting on your ass eating poorly!

    Ultimately you’ll do what you want to do. Just be mature enough to fully accept all the consequences of those decisions. There have been numerous threads on here from guys your age that cycled and had significant problems, later wishing they had waited longer to cycle. Don’t assume you’ll be an exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandr031
    Good point. Let me rephrase. I’m currently doing 80mg/day of TBOL and my liver values are normal. I am taking precautions though. I understand all of the anti-oral sentiment, but people also need to understand that it is the only option for some people.

    Thanks, I appreciate that and I’m glad you’re keeping up with your liver maintenance and getting your LFTs done.

    MuscleInk
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    I like foodbelone, eatmoreanon, and nutritionate for my anabolic gainers.

    MuscleInk
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    Start with:

    – your stats
    – training hx
    – daily caloric intake (kcals)
    – maBambnutrient ratio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1View
    Thats going to be my excuse from now on too!!!

    Might as well…..I’m already blaming BcK for everything.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1
    I’m no novice…I’m a pro with MINE!

    Master of your "domain".

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxbrownxx
    Definitely not blowing you guys off, I was counseled to take it, counseled on how to combat the negative effects, and obviously misinformed. And trust me, im absolutely thankful, just trying to figure out whats going on, theres a ton of mixed information online, it can be a bitch to figure out whats true and whats not. But i get what your saying man, I’m just saying i recognize i made a mistake, and am now trying to repair it. Btw, should i take the metabotest along side the recommended PCT? and should i be taking both the clomid and nolva or just one? thanks

    I respect your humility. It’s a refreshing change and I do hope you’ll remain an active contributor. I’d run a clomiphene-tamoxifen protocol for now and see if that brings you back up to normal physiological activity.

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    Opposing views are welcomed and encouraged! Without divergent viewpoints, discussions would be biased and boring. lol.

    IMO, if someone is using anabolics without medical necessity and/or without incorporating proper nutrition and training guidelines, they are taking unnecessary risks and are simply lazy.

    I believe the general consensus here would be that if someone isn’t committed to training and nutrition, steroids aren’t innocuous drugs to be experimenting with.

    MuscleInk
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    Anywhere there’s a muscle – jab it in! Keep in mind smaller muscles will accept lower doses (large doses can abscess or become infected in smaller muscles). I’ve injected glutes, quads, calves, forearms, biceps, pecs, lats, delts, triceps, traps.

    Delts, quads, glutes & pecs cause the fewest injection problems for me so I typically rotate among these 4 areas now.

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