Metalject

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    You didn’t gain a lot of muscle mass because you were in a calorie deficit and not using any steroids . I’m not implying this is a bad thing, you have to be in a calorie deficit in order to lose body fat. And even with steroids, if you’re in a calorie deficit it’s unlikely you’re going to gain a bunch of actual muscle mass without high doses of gear…even then, true growth occurs with a slight calorie surplus.

    The loose skin, that’s going to take time and if you were severely overweight for a long period of time it may never tighten up fully without some help. I’m not trying to give you a negative reply but when the skin has been stretched for a long period of time like that in a severe way the loose skin is what you’re left with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DomusView
    Show me one thread, where the OP was not overweight and was still told to just eat right. In this thread OP may have completely phrased his question wrong, that’s not our fault. But show me one single thread where everyone refused to give advice on compounds. Preferably not one where a couple people replied and the thread died.

    I wasn’t attacking the message board or anything like that, just sharing the perception I often walk away with. I’ll point it out next time I notice it.

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    I agree to a degree with the comments above about the demeanor of the board often being one that puts down people for asking about cutting cycles. In most of those threads you’ll always get the "it’s all about diet not steroids " answer. And I agree, what you’re eating is the most important thing when you’re trying to lean out but that’s not the point. When it comes to steroid use , bulking or cutting or simply trying to enhance athletic performance the entire purpose of use is to take what you’re already doing right and to do it a little better.

    When it comes to cutting, take two identical guys and put them on the same identical diet and give one steroids and the other no gear. The guy on gear is going to look a whole lot better in the end. Then take the same two guys, put them on the same diet and give guy 1 testosterone and give guy 2 testosterone and Tren (just a random example) and guy #2 is going to look a whole lot better than guy #1 in the end. This should be common sense IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabberView
    Thats why less is more.

    How can the pro’s train for upto 3 hours?? Surely THATS overtraining

    I can’t think of any pro off the top of my head who trains like that anymore or one who has in several years. Not saying they’re not out there, I’m sure I’m just forgetting about someone but most are an hour or less per session. Heck I can think of 2 off the top of my head who train on a 9 day split, meaning it takes them 9 days to get through each body part once and they still only train for about an hour per session.

    Metalject
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    There are always risks regardless of your age. Personally, I take a very pro steroid stance…not an anti-steroid guy, but the idea that being 25yrs old or older is going to provide you some magical protection is misguided. You can cycle by all the standard "responsive bro protocols" but there can still be issues. You may very well still end up with low testosterone due to use once you get a little older. Of course, you may very well end up with it regardless of steroid use but in this case, you may speed it up. You also present the risk of cardiovascular damage in the long term despite supplementing responsibly. Can you take preventive measures? Absolutely, things like cholesterol can be controlled on cycle but it’s misguided to assume there’s a guarantee.

    When it comes to the young guy, in some ways this is a tough topic for me. If a 23 or 24yr old man wants to use steroids and is generally a healthy individual, I’m not going to tell him he needs to wait until he’s 25. If he’s under 23, the situation can change but the uniqueness of his situation might change the answer. You take a 18-20yr old guy, sure, the damage to the HPTA may very well be severe…then again it may not but the risk I would think would be a little higher at this age compared to a few years down the line. At the same time there is something important to remember……

    ….if an individual is an adult and granted the basic rights and responsibilities of an adult, he should be free to make his own decision. You can take the 21yr old guy and warn him of the potential problems and tell him he’s SOL when it comes to getting help from you, or you can guide him the best you can so that he reaches his goals in the safest and most efficient way possible. If he’s going to use steroids no matter what and we’re going to hold to liberty being a right held by all men, the latter is the only reasonable approach.

    Metalject
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    Yes you can still overtrain. You can get away with more when on gear but there’s still a limit. What that limit is will be different for everyone.

    This might not be the best example but look at it like this. Without gear you have $10 to spend and training cost you money. Now with gear you have $15 in your wallet, you have more money but you don’t have an infinite amount. S@mer does not make you invincible to overtraining but it definitely puts more gas in the tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1View
    Great…now Halo will be harder to find and more expensive lol

    Well I’m sure if it actually worked every guy on earth would be taking Halo, lol! The studies on Halo’s ability to promote enlargement sort of make sense when you consider its androgenicity, but I’d imagine it would take such a large amount that it would also kill you in the end. You’d have a giant wiener but you might be dead, lol! Anyway, like I said, these are old studies from something like 50+ years ago.

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    I’ve only heard of one person in my lifetime that I knew of who was tested due to parole. A guy I knew at my gym did 6yrs for manufacturing steroids , he was tested for steroids once a month after he got out. At least this is what he told me, if he was telling the truth I don’t know but that’s the only situation I’ve ever heard of where someone on probation/parole was tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -PuF-View
    well yeah, that was the other part… makes the price go up quite a bit and makes me need more than I want to take. What the hell out there doesn’t suppress test? Besides test that is lol.

    All steroid suppress natural production, even testosterone . However, all steroids do not suppress at the same rate. Some are far more suppressive than others. Some can promote total suppression while others milder reductions and everything in-between.

    Metalject
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    It is highly unlikely that steroids caused you to have a heart attack. In fact, I’d bet every last dime I have on they didn’t. Further, that isn’t what most would consider a massive cycle and at those doses for that short amount of time it’s highly unlikely you caused any serious cardiovascular strain due to steroid use .

    All that said, because you have now had an issue you should strongly consider laying the steroids aside for good. The long term cardiovascular strain that they could cause could very well lead to problems in the future.

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    There are some old studies that have suggested that Halotestin ‘s androgenic nature is so strong it could promote phallic enlargement. Overall though anabolic steroids shouldn’t have an effect either way on pecker size.

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    My first ever cycle was EQ only for 12wks at 400mg/wk. I took nothing else with it. I went from the low 170’s very lean to the mid-180’s, still very lean. Strength went up significantly, not tremendously but it was noticeable. Diet did not change, training did not change. The only change was the added EQ.

    The primary flaw in the above cycle is simple – while it did serve it’s purpose in the moment it wasn’t a well thought out plan in terms of long term. Any steroid you take suppresses natural testosterone production, including when you take testosterone. The rate of suppression varies greatly from one steroid to the next, but suppression and significant amounts will occur. It is very significant with EQ. So while on cycle, due to the increase in hormones brought on by EQ and being at a young age (I was around 19yrs old) I didn’t notice the drop during. But once the cycle had passed, there it was big as day. Strength fell back to where it was previously seemingly overnight. The tighter look I had vanished just as fast – again, nothing else changed in diet or training, all that changed this time was the absence of EQ and now lower testosterone levels .

    Does this help explain the problem with your proposed cycle?

    Also, on EQ being a waste, I think that’s a bit of a stretch. We all have different steroids we respond better too. That said, EQ is never going to be one of the big boys but it can serve a purpose in a cycle. I do think it’s best purpose is in high dose cutting cycles at the front end when you’re trying to keep the total mg’s up and bridging the gap with relatively friendlier compounds. That’s not something most have to worry about though with regular recreational gear use. But as far as a recreational gear user, EQ and testosterone combos can be fine. The heavens aren’t going to split open but it can be a decent place for a mild cycle.

    Last note – you don’t have to change the way you eat because you’re using steroids. The idea behind gear use is simple: take what you’re already doing right and do it better by adding gear. Sure, at times you may need to increase your calories to make better use of the gear and at other times you may not, but the base of your diet should stay relatively the same.

    Metalject
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    If they’re hurting themselves but in the end it’s there choice just as it’s someones choice to smoke five packs of cigarettes a day, eat burger king around the clock or spend their entire pay check on scratch off tickets. All stupid behavior but that’s each person’s choice.
    Metalject
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    Steroid use vs. Steroid Abuse , it’s a weird argument in a lot of the ways and I mean that on both sides of the fence. Think about it, to the general public any use is abuse. To many doctors, even TRT is borderline abuse. Then there are the steroid users, the message board guys, and there’s always a line on each board that defines use and abuse…at least in a general sense.

    My opinion is probably a little more liberal than some…my opinion is that any use is fine so as long as you’re not causing damage to yourself. I don’t care what the doses are or what the combination of steroids may be, if you’re not hurting yourself this isn’t abuse. That said, I’m also a believer in that people should pretty much be allowed to do whatever they want. If someone wants to take the risk they should be free to do so. If you’re legally allowed to stuff your face with lard 24hrs a day you should be legally allowed to use all the steroids you want. In my opinion, so as long as your actions do not harm anyone else then there really shouldn’t be an issue. If your actions are harming others, you bet, this would be an issue of concern. In my opinion, this is all that matters.

    Metalject
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    There have been studies that have shown when a steroid binds strongly to the androgen receptor it may increase the rate of lipolysis. This is why Trenbolone is sometimes said to possess fat burning abilities. There have also been studies that have shown Anavar to directly promote lipolysis. Anavar and even Winstrol have also been used clinically in obese individuals who have difficulty losing weight due to hormonal issues.

    Does any of this mean you don’t have to diet? Of course it doesn’t mean that. Excess calories regardless of the substances you’re putting in your body will not allow you to burn fat. However, studies aside some steroids definitely aid in dieting more than others or rather have a stronger effect towards the desired end more than others. If that wasn’t the case every single TrueMaxder on earth would only use test, Deca and Dbol for all their cycles regardless of what they’re trying to do.

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