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Originally Posted by Art62

I recently completed a cycle of Test E and Tren E. I ran nolva from the third week through my cycle.
Gains were really big for the first four weeks then tapered down.

Is there a reason people don’t run nolva during the whole cycle?

because it doesnt lower estrogen or control anything other than block breast glands…….

do more researcha nd use an AI next time.

Originally Posted by cruel

Thanks for your replies guys. I know what you’re saying but I actually read a few articles claiming that even more so than test, its Estrogen that actually controls libido in males also. Maybe I’m getting a bit confused….

At the end of the day I think I’ll just up AI to 0.5 mg EOD and see how my body reacts. It’s a bummer to split a miniscule Anastrazole in 4 equal pieces…besides I think this is still a very safe dosage.

Yes bloodwork has to be carried out by a doctor here (I’m not in US unfortunately) and is very hard to get done.

"control" doesn’t = "raises" …… test and estro play a part in it of course… but I think you might be misunderstanding it.

Originally Posted by Rupert

you should read up about steroids a bit more
any added hormones before 21 can really mess with you physiologically permanently
if you are really interested in taking these you should look into all the consequences , how to use a pct , what to do if you encounter the unexpected such as gyno or high cholesterol. read up on the affects they have made onto the younger guys on here,
last thing you wanna do is end up with a limp weiner unable to get it up in the prime of your life
alot of guys here started using steroids in their late teens and early twenties now they are forever stuck on testosterone replacement therapy because their glands no longer produce enough test anymore. these hormones arnt like whey powder or creatine where you can be very flexible and just start and stop without any repercussions
not trying to be a douche about anything im saying its just a strong word of caution

before 25 man before 25… 21 is legal age but you are not finished developing till about 24-26. I would start no sooner then 24.

also higher BF% means more conversion to estro and more side effects. get BF% down before usind any aas.

wk1-16 test 500-750mg ew
wk1-14 or 16 200-300mg deca ew (on hrt, not pct)

wk1-16 500mg-750mg test ew
wk1-16 primo 400-500mg ew

wk1-16 500mg-750mg test ew
wk1-16 400mg maste ew

and honestly just 600-800mg test ew is great, sometimes also with 100-200mg deca ew

No orals, liver toxic so why? havent used them in yeas, plus i enjoy my whisky at times any how.

Originally Posted by Nephets

I think we should take up with a collection here and see how much money it would take for you to post the video here. I’m laughing just thinking about it.

agreed! LOL

Originally Posted by Tricepticon

I’ll check in everyday and post my whole experience. Either nothing bad happens and I made some nice gains or I mess something up and regret it the rest of my life. Btw, an anavar only cycle is actually fine if you use a pct.

actually its not… even if you were 25.. when on var your body shuts down its own production of test, test is needed for many functions.. why test should be base of all cycles and why its bad to do oral only cycles IMO… and being younger is bad! even just the PCT compounds can mess with your development aside from the Var…

dont be stubborn ..

Originally Posted by defender228

Your 19 don’t do anavar it’s pointless waste of money anavar alone will do nothing for u and compromising your heath for 6 to 8 weeks of a anavar cycle is dumb

yeah possibly messing up or halting your development is stupid even for a heavy cycle, oral only cycles are dumb IMO, and this one is bad even if you were 25_..
you are not finished most development till around age of 24-25 so please wait untill then and RESEARCH non stop .

good luck

Originally Posted by xxbrownxx

Definitely not blowing you guys off, I was counseled to take it, counseled on how to combat the negative effects, and obviously misinformed. And trust me, im absolutely thankful, just trying to figure out whats going on, theres a ton of mixed information online, it can be a bitch to figure out whats true and whats not. But i get what your saying man, I’m just saying i recognize i made a mistake, and am now trying to repair it. Btw, should i take the metabotest along side the recommended PCT? and should i be taking both the clomid and nolva or just one? thanks

there is a reason we always (i always) say NEVER do oral only cycles and ALWAYS have a testosterone base.
you had issues on cycle because what you where taking (any aas) shut down your natty testosterone production, thats why test as a first cycle or test + an oral is best, NOT oral alone, or any other aas for that matter.
NOW your having issues because you need time to recover.
it seems like you got your cycle from anabolicM forum. its full of kids that use MANY oral only cycle and bs hyped supps, shit I am even there as an LG sciences rep ha, but to the point. you need to do more research and there is lots of good info here on this forum.
and before you ask; no there is not oral test ( i mean there is but you would need a pitcher full of pills to get what you would get from one shot, into your body, not worth it and i doubt you would ever find it) there is topicals… but again you need to put it on every day and raise in test can differ person to person + there are risks on getting it on others.

also 99.99% of oral aas are liver toxic, so avoid orals overall.

good luck