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Originally Posted by White_Trip

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Damn you beat me to it! Lol

Now if you weren’t getting erections then that could be high Estrogen, etc! Make sense?

Originally Posted by LACOSTE

I take what you said about shut down and recovery to mean that using deca is much more suppressive to natural testosterone production compared to using just test?

Being a 19nor and a progestin as well as the long decanate ester, in Nan Deca , it’s the hardest compound to recover from!

One shot & your shut down immediately… also has Avery long detection time, it can stay in your system for up to 18months etc)

musitiontinite has posted if one PCT for a test/deca cycle doesn’t bring back your natty T production about 6-8wks after PCT is over, Then One’s best bet would be to run another PCT — first PCT I’d extend nolva to 6wks
Clomid 100/75/50/50 — Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Second if needed – 75/50/50/50 40/40/20/20(could throw 10/10 in as well) – obviously retest 6-8wks after PCT

Here’s musitiontinites exert from that post…
musitiontinite – below

Not really. I mean, no one really knows exactly what formula to use. Deca is likely the harshest steroid on your HPTA, therefore it is wise to extend PCT timing. The 2 week difference between the cycles mentioned (14 weeks vs 16 weeks) is not an impactful amount of time. 10 weeks vs. 18 weeks is a big difference and would call for a more aggressive PCT.

We have to remember that all of this is very individualistic and cannot be quantified with a formula, but based on history and how drugs interact with the majority, you can make judgment calls for the betterment of recovery. In other words, you can assume you’ll be OK, or you can take some extra measure to better your chances at recovery.

The best method in my opinion for the common cycles with Deca (12 to 14 weeks), is to extend PCT for 2 additional weeks. You can use Nolvadex and drop clomiphene after the 4th week. Then you would wait 6 to 8 weeks and confirm recovery with blood work. If the results fail, run another PCT for 4 weeks and retest. If you’re good, you’re good.

Originally Posted by Kito

You look good but you also look like alot of people on this site.

I’m not knockin ya – you’ve got a good build – from the front I see – and take this as constructive criticism (traps can use more height – tris need widening/thickening/bis are good(what’s your peak like)?, back wheels?

That’s the common theme in this thread(many members on here look just as good/or better and don’t compete! Your still very young(did your parents or anyone in your family compete? I ask NPP/c they’re bank rolling your dream! You know sooo many up and coming BBers work double/triple jobs(don’t sleep) and scrape by w/barely nothin until that one person believes in you! If your going for it – make up your mind now and since your behind(I’m thinking of the elite at age 18 – Khai Greene sp – was a freak at 180 when 18 and he was still raw(rough around the edges) but his legs were SICK!

If it’s your dream – it’s your body – I’m not one to tell people they can’t do it – b/c one who says they can or can’t are usually right in what there thinkin – it’s their mind thats weak when they when saying ‘I can’t’) – or strong when thinking they can and will fulfill their/your dream! GL!

Originally Posted by mikegilbert1986

this is the second time you answered to my reply to the other person commenting in the thread (pa). bro my anadrol is in capsules full of powder.. cost me $50bucks. i do have late meals before bed and most of the time wake up twice s night to eat. tren wakes food sleeps me.

You can open the caps up and split it into two equal piles!! I too get woken up at around 2-230 daily just b/c my body needs the food…

Well from now on I’ll just keep let you doing your thing(as your asking ?’s and receiving good advice) you just don’t want to hear it!

So you won’t be needing/nor receiving any more advice from me! Even though I don’t like you one bit; I would never want to see something bad happen to anyone!

And learn how to control the AAS as it’s got total control of you!!!

Originally Posted by Lex_Foktis

Any recommendations on which one to run or which one would be better once I start my Test-E, Tren-E cycle.

by asking that ? I’m wondering about these things – How many cycles have you done? Age, weight height bf and cycle layout including AI HCG DA PCT protocol?

And I’d suggest starting a thread in the Q&A for more responses… But answer those and layout and I can help!

Your 23 you’ve got no business toudark_sideng AAS let alone Tren ! Is this your supposed first cycle??? If so let’s stop and talk about this….

Originally Posted by parfar

This was me 1.5 yrs ago . U can imagine how much shredded and big i got now

How many cycles in that time? Or how long of one? Your not blasting and cruising at your age are you? Not that any age is safe for blasting & cruising…

Originally Posted by Lex_Foktis

I have a question involving Aromasin /A-dex now that we are on the subject….

Would their be any positives, negatives in running both of them as AI’s while on cycle?

Pick one, they’re different types(Jimmyinkedup wrote "the ancillary reference guide" sticky it explains very much! Have a read! But only choose one,

Aromasin is a suicide AI which once it breaks the aromatizable enzyme up it doesn’t bond back together, where dex continually needs to break the aromatizable enzyme up time after time… Many other functions to an AI too!