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    Quote Originally Posted by Perseverance1
    I did the same thing except I had about 5-6 years of solid training under my belt but also a long period of only semi regular workouts (broke my back re-hitting my deadlift PR). My first cycle started about 6 months into regular training and at week 4 when the 750mg test kicked in everything just felt so light….and I had some sort of euphoric feeling as well….so I just kept going up and then boom…tore my rhomboid and messed up my shoulder a bit. Now 4 months of drugs and physical therapy later and I’m almost healed up. I did legs yesterday and will be doing arms today (second arms workout since it happened) and depending on how much it hurts to do push movements I might try to hit chest this Wednesday.

    If you’re not completely solid AND mature/controlled then don’t cycle. Even if you possess those traits you still run the risk of injury.

    Good luck.

    Good point P1. Illustrates that even with years of training, there are no guarantees with gear. I’ve been training off and on since I was 19 and then consistently (5 days a week) for 4 1/2 years before I touched gear for the first time at 39 years of age. I think my injury was my body’s way of telling me I’m not a 20-something young man anymore and not to over do things!!!!! Lol

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    All are correct above and I have partially torn a muscle while using gear. It’s not only extremely unpleasant but sets you back by keeping you out of the gym while you recover.

    This is precisely why the knowledgable members on this board will discourage new anabolic users if they haven’t been training for at least two years, preferably three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steroyden
    I ran 40 mg a day for 50 days, but am thinking of running it at 60. What are your thoughts on this? I read the sites article on HCG and it said water retention and possible gyno where side effects. How do i avoid these. Would you run hcg at the same time as var or just for pct? Same question for nolva

    Some run var in the range of 50-150g daily, 7 days, 8-12 weeks. Sides vary but at 75mg or greater daily hepatotoxicity and GI problems become greater issues and need careful management. Hcg can be run at either point. I’ve seen it during, post and sometimes within the last 14 days of a cycle. Protocols vary dependent on dosing and other compounds. Nolva is more typical after. Adex or letro can help with gyno.

    I’ve run var at 100mg daily for 16 weeks but followed very careful management of LFTs and had them checked mid cycle for peace of mind. I did suffer from a lot of uncomfortable chronic GERD however. I ran hcg post but my var was part of a larger stack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serke
    What is a suitable liver support besides milk thistle while on orals?

    NAC
    Essential Forte N
    TUDCA

    Preferred alternatives.

    MuscleInk
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    I use them because Lunk1 told me too
    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
    Sorry bro. Didn’t know if you were tied up with a patient or not.

    It’s all good. I’d rather he get a quick response. Yes. Clinic is busy and had two meetings scheduled.

    Thanks for looking after OP.

    MuscleInk

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    Thanks Ender & Mickey.

    Unless you have a source for pills, the suspensions by will work fine. The pill formulations are available from MDs (and UGLs) but an MD won’t write you a script without medical necessity.

    MuscleInk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steroyden
    MuscleInk thank you for your sincere advice I really appreciate it. The reality is though that I’m not just training as a strength athlete I do a competitive varsity sport at a University level where to be honest we are forced into overtraining. My body honestly breaks down doing the training naturally even with good diet and sleep habits. When I was on Var however I made not only strength improvements but also technically improved at my sport drastically and began to enjoy my sport much more because i wasn’t so worn out all the time. So for my next cycle which i most likely will do how in my shoes would you go about it differently. Would you stack a little nolvadex with var or only use it for pct. I have heard var can shut you down somewhat so i take tribulus fenugreek and longjack route to try and support my natural testosterone somewhat. Is this sufficient? What are you thoughts? I would really appreciate your advice.

    Ya var will shut you down. How much did you run again and for what time period? I normally use nolva for PCT. You thought about hcg at all to restart natty test?

    Tribulus doesn’t really do much. Recent studies suggest d-aspartic acid may be better at facilitating test production but not sure how conclusive the data is on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM
    Lunk doing cardio????????????

    I’m gonna call him Mr. Cardio soon! Bought himself a new elliptical too! He’s going all out crazy with cardio. Told me he bikes over 500 miles a summer and even shared some photos of him in his tighty bike shorts – scared the heck out of me! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by omorashi
    Is everyone in a roid rage or just trolling?

    I don’t blame the vets at all. We see these threads daily. People jumping the gun on gear before they have their ducks in a row (nutrition and years of training) because they see pro body builders in magazines and assume gear is the answer to everything. They truly have no idea how much food these guys consume and the commitment to nutrition and training overall to look the way they do.

    The vets here get tired of giving out advice and guys blow it off assuming they know better than the ones who have been doing this for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman
    Agreed.

    My BP was approadark_sideng that on my last cycle and 10mg cialis ED lowered it considerably. After a while though the other "side effect" of cialis got to be too much so I’ve got clonidine on hand if BP climbs that high again.

    Everything I’ve read on BP/heart disease/AAS seems to show that the risk for left ventricular hypertrophy is considerably lessened if BP is kept in check. Sure the androgens alone can cause hypertrophy to some degree but add high BP (ie. resistance) and the risk increases dramatically.

    Correct in all accounts!

    Low dose cialis is also prescribed prophylactically for BPH in addition to hypertension but it’s not ideal for more than 30 days as a treatment for either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1
    I’m on a 4 day weekend! Supposed to get to a blustery 32 or so tomorrow lol

    32!?!? You’ll be breaking out the bike and the cycling shorts in that balmy weather!!!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ****
    Honestly at the age with a high natural hormone production,,,that is all he needs…maybe add in REST and DEDICATION.

    Bro, you NAILED it!

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0utlaw
    time on cycle + pct time = time off

    Awesome Gixx.

    MuscleInk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1
    and thats why I stayed out of it lol….welcome back to wrm weather!

    You give good advice every time just in a "tough love" kind of way. Lol

    Good to be back home where the warmer weather is! Watch your back on those slippery road ways!

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