Werewolf998

Originally Posted by Sworder

I am pretty adamant about not insulting somebody personally especially in a discussion, I think it proves lack of self-control and knowledge on the topic at hand. I haven’t said anything about Marcus300’s character and I usually just look at what message is posted and not what their title under the name is. Unless it is MD The funny thing is that along with insulting me personally he included a lot of other respectable people in that their opinion is congruent with mine. Also, Swifto’s many posts include studies done on animals, that is how science is done. Matt had a great post as well based on his knowledge are you discrediting him as well? I am sorry I offended anybody but I am merely stating my opinion and ideas.

The most humorous thing is that NOBODY touched on any of my key arguments nor ideas. The only rebuttal was that "you are a kid" or "you read too many studies".

I agree that AAS can hurt youth before they are 25. It is stretdark_sideng it far though to claim that their HPTA needs to mature and most data I can find supports the opposite. So if I were to question something which lacks any logical or scientific information, I get bashed on my age. I have seen this in other threads too where one person’s post go unread and repeating the same thing over and over again is done. Read through my posts and argue the points I make. That is discussion, not pointing the finger and saying "you are too young".

Look I know you from another board and im going to tell you straight up you come off as arrogant and condescending to people here that have earned respect via years of input effort and work on this board. Now I’m not saying thats your intention , but I am saying that is the perception. Do with it what you will.

As far as data supporting the opposite ..how can it possibly exist? If peak testosterone output is around age 25 , and someone shuts down the hpta prior to that , how do you know where they MIGHT have been? Do they come back into clinical range faster than older men? Perhaps …but dont you think they should given a 22 yr old has double the test levels of a 40 yr old? Proportionally they may recover exactly the same. Look we will prob never know for sure but given the fact that we will never know what the endogenous T levels of that 22 yr old may have been had the hpta not be shut down before peak test output was reached …there is no way one can say they recover better.
I find it ironic that all this going back and forth and ultimately you agree that there are prudent reasons not to cycle at these younger ages anyway.

Originally Posted by The Kernal

there isn’t enough evidence to say that AAS at a young age isn’t detrimental – there also isn’t enough evidence to say that doing AAS at a young safe. Its a risk!

^^ Excellent Point.

I dont know when the HTPA is fully "developed" ..I do know that our natural testosterone production levels peak at age 25.
It seems to me shutting that system down prior to that isnt very prudent.
The funny thing is , just as its said it cant be proved its bad to cycle under 25 , it sure cant be proved its ok either. The ypoung "recover better"??? We have no idea if the young recover at all because we have no ida what their natural test production would have peaked at or what their baseline test levels would be.
Its cost / benefits to me.
Then the emotional maturity aspect.
I just cant see where its a good , well thought out , prudent decision…even just based on the unknown.
Thats just my opinion.

Originally Posted by TurboOne

From my experience and out of concern for you, I’m going to ask you to read up on Finasteride Syndrome before taking Propecia. Maybe you have already, but at least you know what you’re getting into. A lot of guys don’t recover from the life altering side effects, and that’s why there is a foundation setup to assist. Even heard Dr. Crisler mention it and how he is trying to help guys after they have taken it. IMO, Keeping your hair isn’t worth the potential permanent side effects. It’s bad news…

While I am not dismissing this by any means I think it is important to keep it in perspective. If I recall correctly the numbers are like 1.3% of users experience this in some form. While it is obviously a serious side effect that warrants concern those #’s are very, very low. I have always steered people towards dutasteride over finasteride but i would imagine the premise is the same. It seemed to me in my readings that duta is not only the more effective 5ar inhib mg for mg, it also inhibits both 5ar enzymes, not just one like finasteride does.