OldBoy

Originally Posted by  rubsd

Really I always thought any oral shouldn’t exceed 8 weeks.

please quote the written law book stating this as a fact .

you can’t cause it doesn’t exist.. there is no ‘rule’ that you can’t run an oral longer then 8 weeks . you can run Var year round if you know what your doing and dosing things properly.

now sure , is it smart to blast 300mg of Anadrol a day for 8+ weeks ,, probably not. but the idea that orals can’t be ran beyond certain amount of weeks is bro bullshit .

I’ve been using Dbol as a pre workout for several years straight .

I personally think the reason you see guys that have been running cycles for years, yet are only 160 pounds and when wearing a t shirt you can’t tell that they even lift , is because they have been told over and over again on forums they need to run a decent amount of an AI on every cycle that they do and start the AI from day one. they are hindering their growth potential big time (when androgens go up, estrogen levels are supposed to go up to .. there is a synergistic growth effect from this. BUT taking these AI’s from day one with every cycle is hindering this synergy and growth from happening).
just my opinion and observation is all .

Originally Posted by Oman

And on the forum homepage the steroid profile tab claims to limit use for 6 weeks … What do you have to say bro ..Dianabol in TRT doses are safe for liver?

no they aren’t safe for the liver . but neither is 80% of everything else we put into our bodies . thats why our liver has to be a regenerative organ. everything is nearly liver toxic to some degree . you just have to weigh the pros and cons for yourself.

for me personally,, low dose Dbol ran off and on fairly long term pre workout does not bother me. I’m willing to take the risk (which I don’t consider high) cause I just really like Dbol . some people drink a 6 pack of beer every night. thats what they like to do. I’m sure their liver will be fine, but no doubt some stress is being put on it,, but if thats what they like to do, then good for them.

its also genetic dependent.. I’ve seen blood work of guys running 40mg of Dbol every day for 6 weeks and not have elevated liver enzymes at all .. whereas some guys get elevated enzymes just from eating at McDonalds

Anavar is a unique oral steroid in that it is the only one that is used in medicine to treat alcoholic liver disease. so its liver toxicity, dose dependent, is much lower then others. at 5mg per day its ability to promote tissue regeneration and repair (thats how it helps repair a damaged liver) far outweighs its toxicity factors. but keep in mind that this does not apply in regards to TrueMaxding dosages.
at a low enough dose, yes you can run Anavar for weeks on end with no worries compared to some other AAS. but you have to ask yourself why are your even running it at such low dose anyhow ?

As a pure anabolic , your not going to be using Var in any sex hormone capacity like you would an androgen like Testosterone . so maintainng consistent stable blood levels is not that important.. when its in your system its simply promoting anabolic processes, like nitrogen retention, CP up regulation etc.. you don’t have to have consistent blood levels to benefit from these things. you’ll get the benefits when you take your dose.
orals like var can even be cycled where you run some days on or some days off . or as John mentioned, just as a pre workout.

regarding how long you can run this. its dose dependent. I know of guys running 20mg per day for months on end. it may actually be your Lipid profile that could have the most negative hit from doing long runs of orals more then your liver. so keep that in mind and check that as well.

the idea that you have to limit your use of Oral AAS to 4 weeks is really not based on anythig.. its too person dependent. heck guys that say this are also the same guys that run Tren half the year (and Tren is plenty toxic as any oral).

run it as long as you need and thats right for YOU and does not give you any ill effects. there is not set answer on how long you can or can’t run it

Originally Posted by MaxBoss

You don’t build up a tolerance to dbol using it all the time pre workout?

do guys on TRT have to stop taking their TRT several times a year or keep increasing their dosages for the TRT to work because they build a tolerance to it .. or do they take 200mg of test per week for years on end and it keeps working just fine. ??

the later is true. TRT always works.. "tolerances” and "densensitization" are an exaggerated thing in AAS usage. 20mg of Dbol works great for me pre workout and has for 6+ years straight. I don’t have a tolerance to it. I’m not de-sensitized to it and likely never will be.

Originally Posted by renepjd

wtf….

decades ago .. I learned a lot being a sponsored high level cyclist and running 19 minute 5ks … thats where I started my nutrition journey.
obviously looking back , not happy with the physique at all doing that shit .. but a bit of food , some test, heavy weights and dropping the cardio over kill worked pretty good

Originally Posted by nightflier

kinda starting to feel like Tren, Mast, and Dbol are more like ancillaries to any good cycle

YES .. thats often times how I design cycles . I’d rather use AAS as "ancillaries" to combat negative sides from other AAS and make them work together then throw in other medical drugs that have no anabolic properties (like caber, prami, Letro, arimidex , etc.).

knowing how all these different AAS work in the body and their different attributes can definitely help. rather then just stacking a few different AAS cause you think you want to take those AAS just for fun ,, putting a proper stack together should have a very good "rhyme and reason" and things meant to work together. you’ll get more gains and less side effects with proper stacking.
plugging in an AAS to an existing cycle just to add some synergy as an "ancillary" is a very valid thing to do .

some super conservative guys will say "yeah but your throwing everything but the kitchen sink into your cycle" .. cause of combining a lot of different compounds into a cycle (all the while they are running just as much because all the Caber, Prami, arimidex, Clomid, Hcg , Nolva, etc. they are actually running in their cycle duration) .
what they don’t realize is the dosages and which compounds are actually the work horse compounds and which ones are just added in for synergy as an "ancillary" to help limit negative sides and increase results.

Originally Posted by McGregor

Jason Blaha said that every time he used Tren he gained like 15 lbs out of nowhere .

I believe it. Jason Blahha’s fat dumb ass can gain 15 pounds out of no where. all he’s gotta do is stare at a doughnut for 2 mins and pouff, theres 15 pounds of lard right there.
If Jason knew what he was doing he’d of used Tren to shred 15 pounds