Deca or EQ – For size

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    sdg_sdg
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    What did you guys find the best or better between deca and eq when putting on size and bulking like crazy….

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    LUCKY PUNCH
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    Either can be used successfully but I would choose DECA for myself because EQ raises my RBC/HEMATOCRIT/HEMOGLOBIN to high over time.

    sdg_sdg
    Member
    Thanks guys for the info, highly appreciated
    Zikka
    Member
    How common is Deca dick? I would really like to try running Deca but I have just read horror stories about people having Deca dick up to 6-12 months after they stopped

    nightflier
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by ZikkaView
    How common is Deca dick? I would really like to try running Deca but I have just read horror stories about people having Deca dick up to 6-12 months after they stopped

    If you get deca dick for 6 months, you’re an asshole. It’s completley preventable. Just keep some mast prop on hand.

    Kalison
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by nightflierView
    If you get deca dick for 6 months, you’re an asshole. It’s completley preventable. Just keep some mast prop on hand.

    I have heard that is due to the test deca ratio, is this incorrect?

    nightflier
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by KalisonView
    I have heard that is due to the test deca ratio, is this incorrect?

    It’s due to deca converting to DHN instead of DHT. Throwing more test in your cycle is one way to counter it, but not the only way.

    sdg_sdg
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by nightflierView
    It’s due to deca converting to DHN instead of DHT. Throwing more test in your cycle is one way to counter it, but not the only way.

    What else can you do counter this, I thought increased test ratio was the only option

    nightflier
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by sdg_sdgView
    What else can you do counter this, I thought increased test ratio was the only option

    Well first, this isn’t something that happens to everyone, just like most people don’t grow tits from taking testosterone .

    Introducing Masteron to your cycle will also prevent this.

    OldBoy
    Member
    heres why some guys can end up with "deca dick" .. there are two things needed for an erection, androgens and estrogen. DHT is needed for the physical action itself, and estrogen is needed for the mental (as estrogen controls the male libido) . also estrogen is needed for blood flow (its a hormone responsible for vascular elasticity and nitric oxide production).

    those two things are pretty much the very things that Deca does NOT produce. Deca is not androgenic in that instead of converting to DHT it converts to DHN , which then binds to DHT receptors and occupies them yet doesn’t illicit any androgenic effect . also natty test levels are going to fall off so you won’t be getting more DHT coming in either . which is also why your estrogen levels will also begin falling off.
    over time you’ll have no androgenic load and no estrogenic load to work with (and thus struggle with sex drive and erection ability).

    Then there is a third thing . Deca is a progestin thats going to bind to progestin receptors. this in turn can elevate Prolactin levels, which when way too elevated can also cause erection issues .

    and an un-related to deca its fourth thing that often times happen , guys start taking a high dose of an AI from day one of their deca cycle , mistakingly thinking they need it cause they think deca aromatizes a lot (which it doesn’t, again your e levels will go down on deca, not up) , and then they crash their estrogen super quick and of course have lethargy, no sex drive, etc ..

    so whats the best bet. stack some androgenic and aromatizing based compounds in with your deca. first one is clearly test because it converts to both DHT and Estrogen . also you can stack another androgen like Masteron which will lower SHRonin , which then thus allows for more androgenic activity by freeing up bound DHT into the blood stream . Mast will also blunt some of the progestin effects . and also you can add in low dose Dbol to get even more estrogen if need be.

    nightflier
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    heres why some guys can end up with "deca dick" .. there are two things needed for an erection, androgens and estrogen. DHT is needed for the physical action itself, and estrogen is needed for the mental (as estrogen controls the male libido) . also estrogen is needed for blood flow (its a hormone responsible for vascular elasticity and nitric oxide production).

    those two things are pretty much the very things that Deca does NOT produce. Deca is not androgenic in that instead of converting to DHT it converts to DHN , which then binds to DHT receptors and occupies them yet doesn’t illicit any androgenic effect . also natty test levels are going to fall off so you won’t be getting more DHT coming in either . which is also why your estrogen levels will also begin falling off.
    over time you’ll have no androgenic load and no estrogenic load to work with (and thus struggle with sex drive and erection ability).

    Then there is a third thing . Deca is a progestin thats going to bind to progestin receptors. this in turn can elevate Prolactin levels, which when way too elevated can also cause erection issues .

    and an un-related to deca its fourth thing that often times happen , guys start taking a high dose of an AI from day one of their deca cycle , mistakingly thinking they need it cause they think deca aromatizes a lot (which it doesn’t, again your e levels will go down on deca, not up) , and then they crash their estrogen super quick and of course have lethargy, no sex drive, etc ..

    so whats the best bet. stack some androgenic and aromatizing based compounds in with your deca. first one is clearly test because it converts to both DHT and Estrogen . also you can stack another androgen like Masteron which will lower SHRonin , which then thus allows for more androgenic activity by freeing up bound DHT into the blood stream . Mast will also blunt some of the progestin effects . and also you can add in low dose Dbol to get even more estrogen if need be.

    kinda starting to feel like Tren , Mast, and Dbol are more like ancillaries to any good cycle

    Zikka
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    heres why some guys can end up with "deca dick" .. there are two things needed for an erection, androgens and estrogen. DHT is needed for the physical action itself, and estrogen is needed for the mental (as estrogen controls the male libido) . also estrogen is needed for blood flow (its a hormone responsible for vascular elasticity and nitric oxide production).

    those two things are pretty much the very things that Deca does NOT produce. Deca is not androgenic in that instead of converting to DHT it converts to DHN , which then binds to DHT receptors and occupies them yet doesn’t illicit any androgenic effect . also natty test levels are going to fall off so you won’t be getting more DHT coming in either . which is also why your estrogen levels will also begin falling off.
    over time you’ll have no androgenic load and no estrogenic load to work with (and thus struggle with sex drive and erection ability).

    Then there is a third thing . Deca is a progestin thats going to bind to progestin receptors. this in turn can elevate Prolactin levels, which when way too elevated can also cause erection issues .

    and an un-related to deca its fourth thing that often times happen , guys start taking a high dose of an AI from day one of their deca cycle , mistakingly thinking they need it cause they think deca aromatizes a lot (which it doesn’t, again your e levels will go down on deca, not up) , and then they crash their estrogen super quick and of course have lethargy, no sex drive, etc ..

    so whats the best bet. stack some androgenic and aromatizing based compounds in with your deca. first one is clearly test because it converts to both DHT and Estrogen . also you can stack another androgen like Masteron which will lower SHRonin , which then thus allows for more androgenic activity by freeing up bound DHT into the blood stream . Mast will also blunt some of the progestin effects . and also you can add in low dose Dbol to get even more estrogen if need be.

    Thank you very much for the explanation. Feel much more confident running a Deca cycle now!

    So could a Deca cycle look something like the following:

    Test E 700mg weekly
    Deca 500mg weekly
    Masteron 300mg weekly

    AGoodGuy
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by ZikkaView
    Thank you very much for the explanation. Feel much more confident running a Deca cycle now!

    So could a Deca cycle look something like the following:

    Test E 700mg weekly
    Deca 500mg weekly
    Masteron 300mg weekly

    Throw some anadrol 50mg in there for the first 6 weeks and that’s a damn good cycle.

    Dr. Garey
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by ZikkaView
    Thank you very much for the explanation. Feel much more confident running a Deca cycle now!

    So could a Deca cycle look something like the following:

    Test E 700mg weekly
    Deca 500mg weekly
    Masteron 300mg weekly

    I am on the best cycle of my life (with help from GH and members here)
    Started the first 6 weeks with
    Test – 500mg/wk
    Tren – 400mg/wk
    Masteron – 400mg/wk

    Then the next 6 weeks
    Test – 400mg/wk
    NPP – 350mg/wk
    Masteron – 400mg/wk
    EQ – 500mg/wk

    Now I am into the last 6 weeks which are different – added in some compounds and removed some/lowered dosage.

    I will tell you that Mast is a total life saver when running deca or tren – really really helps with the progesterone. Totally changed my outlook on deca and tren – will never run either of them without Mast again.

    I would run your cycle –
    Test E 400-500mg weekly
    Deca 500mg weekly
    Masteron 350mg weekly (if prop, if E run 400mg)
    EQ – 400mg weekly

    sdg_sdg
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    heres why some guys can end up with "deca dick" ..

    Sweetness, thanks man. Makes sense.

    OldBoy
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by nightflierView
    kinda starting to feel like Tren, Mast, and Dbol are more like ancillaries to any good cycle

    YES .. thats often times how I design cycles . I’d rather use AAS as "ancillaries" to combat negative sides from other AAS and make them work together then throw in other medical drugs that have no anabolic properties (like caber, prami, Letro, arimidex , etc.).

    knowing how all these different AAS work in the body and their different attributes can definitely help. rather then just stacking a few different AAS cause you think you want to take those AAS just for fun ,, putting a proper stack together should have a very good "rhyme and reason" and things meant to work together. you’ll get more gains and less side effects with proper stacking.
    plugging in an AAS to an existing cycle just to add some synergy as an "ancillary" is a very valid thing to do .

    some super conservative guys will say "yeah but your throwing everything but the kitchen sink into your cycle" .. cause of combining a lot of different compounds into a cycle (all the while they are running just as much because all the Caber, Prami, arimidex, Clomid, Hcg , Nolva, etc. they are actually running in their cycle duration) .
    what they don’t realize is the dosages and which compounds are actually the work horse compounds and which ones are just added in for synergy as an "ancillary" to help limit negative sides and increase results.

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