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Originally Posted by marcus300

You aren’t going to find any studies done on TrueMaxders using steroids at a dosages what we use to build tissue but you are going to find thousands and thousands of threads aBambss all forums of the young having problems with their hormones after they have used steroids, of course your going to get many young bb’s recovering without any issues but there is also many what don’t, ive seen this more and more over the years ive been training. I would rather edge on side of caution when giving advice and this would be advising to take steroids at an age when your have fully developed and your HPTA as set its own pattern and its established its output, by shutting down a system what’s not full matured or established its rhythm can cause problems.

Marcus, on top of this, how many of those kids whom allegedly recover with no issues actually ended up without any irreversable damage? I mean, kids don’t get bloodwork done typically. They only cry when they grow boobs or lose the hair on their head.

On top of that for all the people who list pro-athletes who use roids at a young age as their justification were using false premises to base their decision. There is a huge difference between somebody like Arnold or Bonds juicing it up in order to perform at a higher level in their respective sports. Their lively hood and the promise of money and sponsorships depends on them being at the very best in their game. The average kid thinking about juicing is most likely never going to be in those guys positions so the benefits of the fame/money/top of sport don’t exist for them, but the risk remains the same.

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

^^ thats prolly due to the HCTZ.

Ace inhibitors ( or angiotensin receptor blockers) are the first line for HBP, and help protect the heart from remodeling also. if you have high BP, talk to ur doc about those.

They’re the first set of options, but there are a whole buffet of options they can do. It’s a matter of systematically finding what’s right for the individual.

I’m personally really happy with metoprolol. The only thing I dislike is how walmart won’t carry the time-release one for $4 so I take it twice a day.

Originally Posted by Cybertattoo

Why not just some cialis ?

I don’t take BP medication because of AAS. It runs in my family and I was no exception. Granted, I probably could do more to lower my sodium intake and what have you, but it’s pretty low for the most part.

Cialis was never suggested by my physician and that is who is treating my BP issues.

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Agreed. There are numerous factors that determine cardiac health. There are several publications on Pubmed that cite relationships between AASs and reduced cardiac output or ventricular thickening/enlargent and even HGH at high doses can be detrimental to the heart. As pointed out earlier, low T is also inversely correlated with heart health as is body fat and lifestyle. Familial history is another important factor that has to be considered as well. Clearly AASs have some impact on cardiac function but just how much and how long one needs to be exposed before cardiac function becomes compromised is not so clear cut and individual differences will come in to play.

My view on the subject is that if your going to spend so much time, money, and energy on improving your appearance and performance, take the time for regular check ups and blood work to ensure optimal health and address emerging problems before they become serious life altering events. It’s a lot easy to prevent a major event from happening than it maybe to recover from one.

Everybody should get regular checkups, whether or not they lift or use AAS. But yeah I’m not disputing that AAS and thicken arteries or anything. Just that there are other factors involved as well. All the grey area really means that the medical research community SHOULD be studying this more.

Originally Posted by Silverbimma

I got this information from an endocrinologist in my family and my own endocrinologist. I have high blood pressure, so I researched a lot and asked a lot of questions.

I think you need to do a lot more research. You could start by asking those endocrinologists to cite sources of studies they read which indicated the stuff you wrote.

And by the way, virtually all of those wrestlers and TrueMaxders you were referring to dying young were taking OTHER drugs along with AAS. If somebody who happened to use AAS sniffed an OZ of cocaine and their heart stopped, what would you honestly claim the cause of death was?

As far as your creatine claims go, I found this study within 30 seconds of Googling:

Originally Posted by tdk

Test 500 wk and deca 300 wk. second cycle plus ai and hcg…First cycle was test only, but I’m on TRT when not cycling because of accident a few years ago..

You’ll be fine if have a few. Just make sure you drink the Johnny Walker Blue Label shot. It’s important.

Originally Posted by TheNewGuyHere

Anyone other than Marcus care to aid me in putting together an effective and safe cycle? I realize it needs work and I would really appreciate some help with it rather than hearing "you are too young".

Thank you

Kid, nobody is going to help you. It would be immoral in my mind (and most of us here) to aid a kid in harming himself. And as far as information goes on how to, even if you were being honest (and we know you’re not), a good cycle today probably wont be good 5 years from now when you’re old enough because new drugs and information will promote change, so it’s pointless to learn what’s good for 25 year olds now.

I recommend you listen to what Marcus says, he knows more about steroids and cycling than just about every single one of us here do. So if he tells you something, it’s probably in your best interest.