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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BBView
    I’m tired of hearing the expression "lubricate joints", anabolic steroids do nothing to the synovial fluid in joints!!

    Nandrolone is a powerful anti inflammatory, even cystic acne inflammation will subside when starting deca. It might be that its acting in progesterone receptors, dont know. Just bugs me ppl keeping saying it heals or lubricates joints.

    Or reverse osmosis. Lol!
    But it seems to reduce pain is what they mean i guess.

    Otherwise one could always try to buy some WD-40 and spray on all joints, perhaps with some baby oil as well.

    I get what you mean BB, it’s just that nobody knows and broscience seem to think joints are like SimonS.

    Xself
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    Haha, nice to see some familiar faces!

    Thought I’d drop in,
    been awhile.

    I see the OP (great work btw) was worried about his nuts.
    Well yeah, I’m going to share what I think, and what my latest andrologist said.

    First the andrologist, and this is some time ago so new research might have emerged since.
    But he also based this on his experience with patients, with was pretty extensive.

    He said, and I’ve read the same study; that very high testosterone levels alone can sustain sperm production. We are then talking about extremely high levels, since ordinary, tour testes has about 30-100x the level of test that the rest of your body has.
    Thus; dosages in excess of 1500mgs weekly was his approximation, which some guys do, but doing those dosages for any length of time? Your nuts isn’t the only thing you need to worry about.

    But I think all that is pretty much guess work really, if I were to draw any conclusions from it I’d rather say; short heavy cycles (with test) are better for your nuts than more moderate dose long cycles.

    Then there’s the genetics thing, and then there’s what I call “fucked up squared law”.
    Genetics mean some people are not that fertile to begin with, they might need some treatment with hcg etc just to reproduce naturally.
    (And mind you, reproducing naturally when 20yo, and 30’ish yo might be two very different scenarios)

    Then the “fucked up squared law”;
    It pretty much means; you’d be amazed how many people survive and recover from things you’d never think.

    In short;

    Regarding your nuts; it’s the duration, (and some compounds might be particularly bad like tren , but IMO; they’re just very potent at shutting you down), not the dose which matters.
    And the duration is individual; while you’ll be shutdown quickly after any AAS dose of note, how quickly you bounce back is individual, and it’s faster when you’re young.

    Last thing about that; not everyone gets 100% shutdown, at least in terms of sperm production. However, that you didn’t get shut down when you were 20, doesn’t mean you won’t when 30 or 40.
    The only rule there is that everyone will get LESS fertile on cycle; but hey, if you’re still having some sperm alive, and doing it like rabbits, we all know plenty examples of that.

    Hcg is your friend if your doing long cycles though. Or any cycle basically.

    Xself
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexandresView
    I’ve run Oxandrin and decent UGL and tried spitting the dose and dosing 1x daily. Never could tell that one protocol was better than the other.

    Not in anabolic response no.
    But theoretically could be a difference in virilization when you reach higher serum peaks with 1x a day dosing.

    Not sure about this, but I seem to remember some speculation about a more constant lower level of androgens compared to a less constant but higher peak increasing virilization in women. But I simply do not know.

    Xself
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    35mg? Sure their not 50mg? Lots of UGLs over here have begun pouring out 50mgs of DBOL and such.

    I have to say it, I wouldn’t trust anavar to be doses at 35mg if it weren’t in a box that stated 35mg, even if my brother were the supplier.

    I’ve gotten 50mgs Winstrol tabs that the supplier said;
    "They’re more like 40mgs", which is another matter, cause he’s just admitting that he thinks they were underdosed. For me it wasn’t a problem if the pill was 30, 35, 40 or 50mg. But not a product I would give a woman.

    Xself
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    How’s the TRT regimen coming along then?
    I hope you get that settled quick,
    but I somehow doubt it, as your bloodwork will be influenced by you doing cycles.
    I’ve heard of guys with very low T using DBOL as TRT before,
    but it’s neither healthy or something that will work for most (there’s always the odd case) in the long run.

    Xself
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    And high fat diets are for Eskimos IMO.

    Protein:30%, carbs 40%, fat 30% (of total energy intake)
    is a simple enough maBamb set up I’ve felt good doing.
    What carbs and fat you eat, and the timing of high GI food regarding fat intake matters too. Especially the first part.
    10grams of trans fatty acids aren’t what you wanna mix in your protein shake.
    10grams of MCT oil another matter.

    And fructose, well it does help to mix that fructose with glucose, as it is in fruit.
    But high fructose corn syrup or just much fructose is a problem;
    Fructose skips the phospofructokinase-1/PFK-1 enzyme step in glycolysis, which happen to be the most important rate limiting step.
    Then, fructose is mostly absorbed by the liver, unlike glucose which can be just as easily absorbed by the muscles directly.
    Since the fructose that enters the liver has already committed itself to glycolytic breakdown it cause a rise in acetyl-CoA when it isn’t needed. The liver makes triglycerides to store this energy.
    Short story: fructose can increase triglycerides in your blood, and be bad for your health.
    (Some fructose is ok ofcourse, dont go nuts)
    I may have forgot or confused some of the principles of fructose breakdown as i didn’t care to look it up,
    Please correct me if it’s wrong, but the result is correct; increased triglycerides and other issues.

    Xself
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    Some good info here and thoughtfull speculation.

    Oxidized LDL cholesterol form arterial plaque through an inflammatory process.
    My own bloodwork from when I’ve drank about 10-12 eggs a day (on AAS as usual) showed normal total cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol.

    I was in an experiment for people that had used AAS for over 5 years,
    My heart (left ventricular wall) was within limits, but on the higher side.
    My resting heart rate varies between 40-50.
    My plaque in the carotid artery (in the neck) showed I had less sign of atherosclerosis than the average population.
    Stopping blood supply to both my arms for 5 minutes to check the speed it took for oxygen saturation to normalize (another measure of circulation/atherosclerosis) was fine.

    On top of the fact that genetics and training will influence this,
    (I have close family members with high cholesterol (needing treatment) who don’t use AAS)

    Some Supplements that may help:
    NAC (by stopping inflammation in the blood vessels perhaps)
    Carnitine (same as NAC)
    Taurine (lowers cholesterol in many studies)
    75-100mg ED of aspirin: irreversible inhibitor of thromboxane A2, yet the dose is too low to inhibit production of prostacyclins. Prevents platelet aggregation which is involved in the plaque forming process)

    Enjoy the feeling of an empty wallet!

    Xself
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    Ok, now that the math seem to be settled, let me fuck it all up by coming with this statement:
    -are you sure anavar at those dosages doesn’t reach saturation of enzymes and therefore follow zero order kinetics?
    That would mean the half life is no longer 9 hours.

    Haha, had to say it.
    You are overthinking this.

    Xself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slayer13View
    Something of interest that I found out, my wife is working on her PhD and one of her research projects currently relates to progesterone and pain. She is manipulating rat’s progesterone levels then testing their pain tolerance, it appears increased progesterone decreases felt pain / increases pain tolerance. The reason I find it so interesting is people claim Deca "lubricates their joints" and helps with their joint pain.

    Deca can bind to progesterone receptors so I found this potential link interesting.

    Just thought I’d toss that out there

    It is intresting.
    Why trenbolone , which seems to be a more powerful progestin than deca doesn’t have the famed supposed joint relief is strange though.

    Xself
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    Anavar is pretty side effect free, but I’d choose TBOL over it any day.
    Very gentle (for me), and actually really anabolic as well.
    (Much more than var, more like DBOL actually)

    Xself
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilabolinView
    Second that. Also lowers heart beat at rest significantly. Which is VERY important.

    Does it? Lower heart rate I mean?
    I agree that’s important. I’ve dismissed cardarine until now as an unproven, potentially cancer causing agent with no real benefit to me.
    But if it lowers heart rate at rest I’ll take a second peek at it.

    Xself
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    Winny doesn’t cause appetite suppression in me, but a general feeling of being unwell/back ache, the depot doesn’t do this however.
    (Some appetite suppression too, maybe)
    But I’ve checked and my kidneys are fine on it, so I don’t know,
    but I do know that stopping the compound around 14 days, and then start up again (pulsing) resolves it.

    Anadrol can cause much more issues, appetite being one of them,
    but either using it 3-4x a week or pulsing fixes that.
    And I feel pulsing is way more effective than the 3x a week approach.
    (Quite naturally as the total dose used will also be higher)

    I feel that most orals kick in very fast, and I am after all on test (and maybe some other injectable), so spikes in concentration with orals isn’t something I worry about. Actually (though I have no proof of this) I think the spikes in blood concentration that orals give, increase IGF1 secretion more.
    Whatever the reason, whether pulsing or even using 3x a week seem to help growth a lot. Another approach I’ve tried is alternating orals and dose,
    like anadrol 3x a week at 50mg, 15-20mg DBOL between.
    But this leads to unpleasant effects also, but it takes a while longer.
    (Whether it’s just the dose reduction or if alternating the compounds also play a role I’m not sure, though i think that depends on the oral. DBOL and TBOL treat me real nice, drol and winny doesn’t in the long run, not to mention halo.)

    But why complicate? Pulsing works and is easy.

    Xself
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    Let’s to it here. This was too good.
    Made it kinda quick. If it doesn’t make sense just add in more of your quotes.

    Xself
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    This is pretty much the same as the discussions over timing of Dbol .
    As most of you know, methandrostenolone is listed as having a very short half life, sometimes down to just 3 hours.
    However, when it comes to real life reports,
    Many say that a single dose of 50mg works just as well as the same amount split throughout the day.
    (This might be different if running dbol only though, as I guess most people would stack it with an injectable, which changes the game somewhat)

    Personally, if I took an oral only with a half life less than 10 hours like anavar ,
    I’d take the highest dose in the morning, and save a smaller dose for later.
    My thinking is this:
    Say I take 60mg in the morning, then (if we shall follow straight half life kinetics) I’d have a little less than 30mg in my system 12 hours later.
    Taking another 20mg at this point would kick that up to nearly 50mg in your system, leaving somewhat less than 25mg when it’s time for the next 60mg intake.

    Why take more in the morning or at one time?
    The higher the dose, the higher IGF1 response, among other things.

    Xself
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    Point taken BB.
    Especially about the Production of other hormones during cycle with hCG .
    The point about keeping LH sensitivity with correct hCG dosing is intresting, I’ll check that out.

    But, for simplicity and also the main point: hCG prevents testicular atrophy.

    Also nice to read that hCG isn’t as fragile as most think.
    This goes hand in hand about studies I’ve seen on other "fragile" compounds like insulin and hgh.
    (A study showed no reduction in potency of insulin or hgh 2 years after expiration date when kept refrigerated.)

    keeping LH sensitivity and the production of other hormones from the testes (by using hCG) will be more and more important the longer the cycle lasts.

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