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Sworder, you are wrong.

I’m walking prof using hormones at a young age causes low testosterone and an inability to recover normal testosterone levels after a cycle much later in life. When I first started bbing at 19 I tried using everything under the sun that was legal thinking if its legal it must be safe. I used androstene and any thing else my buddy’s were trying.

When I got to about 30 I started to look at using AAS and I found out that the legal stuff is HPTA damaging as well. I had my testosterone checked soon after and it came back a little over 350ng/dl, low for a 30 year old with a clean diet and excersizing regularly for the past 11 years and obtains from alcohol completely.

I never was able to get my testosterone above 170 after my first cycle and 110 after my second and I got a lot of good advise here on agresive PCT nothing worked.

I’m convinced my HPTA system was damaged from pro hormones and androstene.

My PRIMARY definition of wear and tear is just simple aging and operation of these cells. You drive a car couple hundred thousand miles, and it wears down over time from simple use. Same thing with the human body. And at times, certain things can speed up wear and tear. I do believe damage and wear and tear can be further caused by atrophy of the leydig cells, for example, when using exogenous androgens. This is of course most of the time an occurance with those who aren’t cycling properly or do not follow adequate PCT guidelines. HOWEVER, with that being said… I do know a couple of people for whom a cycle seemed to have a ‘re-set’ effect on their HPTA. Bloodwork prior to their first ever cycle dictated T levels on the low end of normal. After going through a 10 week cycle, and a 4 week PCT, bloodwork was taken (2 months after PCT I would just like to clarify), and their T levels were in the mid-high end of normal. These are two personally known cases, but if you search, you will find this incidence of ‘re-setting’ certain aspects of the endocrine system through the brief use of an exogenous source is actually well documented in the medical field. I remember being shown a study in one of my courses whereby a certain number of pubscent and pre-pubescent dark_sidelCrash007 were having issues with endogenous production of HGH. They were merQistered exogenous HGH (and it was some insanely high dose) for 2-4 weeks. After halting the brief merQistration, these dark_sidelCrash007’s endogenous HGH production was in full swing and in normal ranges. I will try to dig back and find the study, because its actually extremely interesting.

I am not condoning the use of youth using steroids. No they should not use them, however I am not going to hand out death sentences to them and to their HTPA. The human body is more resilient than we can even understand.

People will always do what they want, regardless of what you tell them.
Dad says Don’t take steroids ..well they them.
Dad says don’t do drugs, they use them.
Dad says don’t get tattoos they get them.

Millions of people come here a year, how many take them no matter what we say..Hundreds if not hundreds of thousands.
I only hope they wait, but if they do not, well we can at least help them recover or do it right or both.

I did a cycle a test cycle at 19 in high school, recovered fine. Then did a dbol only cycle at 20, recovered fine. No these are not the way to do them. Had I known or had this board back then things would have been different, I still would have ran them, but done them right. At 23 after both cycles were over and no pct I still had a base line test of 1226ng.

Yes you can recover.

Research, learn, listen decide if its right for you, then act.

Best

Very good discussion guys carry on…