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Originally Posted by Nephets

How cold does gear have to get to crash.

Cold will not always cause a product to crash. I have frozen compounds till the oil is solid, and the compound never crashed. I have also had products crash in 40 degree weather. Using the cold to try and crash gear is not a reliable way of testing for a legitimate product.

If you really want to know what you have you need to have it tested. There are multiple places that will do this, like janoshik. He is only one of the places tbats can test, you would also need to look into him to see if you beleive his results. There are also accredited labs like simec ag, and others. This is the only true way to find out, by sending them a blind sample, and seeing the results. Tests can range from 80-200 plus dollars per test.

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Thank you for your flattery. I’ve been a certified Personal Trainer for over 10 years, and have a passion for the fitness Industry. Im also an advocate for the SAFE use of AAS, not the ABUSE.

I will stick with my original recommendations and add that if you run HCG on cycle, you will definitely need 12,5mg aromasin (minimum) to combat increased estrogenic activity. The AI is not only responsible for controlling conversion of test into estrogen, but also minimizing aromatase activity from HCG use.

I didn see it in his cycle, but its definitely needed with the hcg . My e2 become almost impossible to control while using hcg during a blast. I dont use it very often, im on trt and I will use maybe once a year for a few months while cruising.

Its pretty rare for someone to come here with ther shit straight from the start.

Originally Posted by muzonk

I’m still planning my next cycle, but it will be like this
1000mg test e for 15 weeks
750mg deca for 10-12 weeks(prolactin gets very angry after 10 weeks for me)
50mg dbol in the first 4 weeks

I wanna add another compound for the last 8-10 weeks just don’t figured out yet. Also wanna add some ghrp6 with slin. My goal is to put on quality size.
What would you add?

I wouldn’t run it like that, because 15 weeks is to long in my opinion, unless a more advanced protocol is utilized. After the first 8-10 weeks you will see little to no gains. I would use test p or test pp, along with npp, and throw in primo or eq.

I would run it like this:
1-8
Test
Npp
Eq or primo

9-11
Eq or primo

12-20
Test
Npp
Eq or primo

Do what you want with the oral, and a couple 3-4 week runs with the slin. I feel this will acheive better results then what you have listed others may disagree, but shorter blasts with higher dosages work better from what i have seen. I also didnt post any dosages, because you should decide that. This should also help with the prolactin issue.

Originally Posted by magic32

I agree with the fellas. Save the Deca for next time, and experience TEST-ONLY for your first cycle.

You’d be starting it late, and long esters take 4-6 weeks to FULLY kick in — frontloading long esters is futile for the same reason. How do you frontload something that isn’t going to work for month?

You have enough experimentation with your diet, training, fluid levels, etc.

Enjoy your inagural cycle, and definitely do more research.

Best to you.

This is bro science it doesnt take 4-6 weeks for long esters to work, and front loading absolutely does work. Even long esters start working in less than 24 hours after being injected. They will not reach peak levels for a little while, but they will absolutely be doing there job. Front loading helps reach peak level faster. Is it a good idea? Thats debatable, but it works.

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Holy overdose Batman! I can’t even imagine anyone needing 700mg of Tren per week, especially for a recomp. You could probably adark_sideeve your goals on test alone with a solid diet and training program.

If you insist on using Tren, start with 200mg to 300mg per week, and see what your results are. Don’t forget your AI, and use HCG on cycle. Add in Caber if you have prolactin issues.

Oh yeah one more thing, your aromasin dosage is too low. Start at 12,5mg per day and adjust according to mid cycle blood work.

You think that 12.5 isnt overkill for 175mg of test per week. At first I thought 6.25 was low then I looked at the test dose again. I wouldn’t even run an AI at 175, but I know I dont need AI at that dose from past bloodwork. I know its hard to crash estro with aromasin , but im wondering what your take is on it. You kind of came out of nowhere, but obviously have lots of knowledge.

To me a recomp is one of the hardest things to do. Cutting or bulking is straight forward, but a recomp is try to do a little of both at the same time. This is a time where I think a little more compounds can help. If the tren is quality I would probably still stick with 500mg of tren, especially since this is only like a second cycle.

when I said came out of nowhere its no disrespect. Most members come here knowing very little. So for someone to come on with a great base of knowledge surprised me.

Originally Posted by galaxy

Just so you know, I’ll repeat my recent story regarding shoulders and surgery. Eight years ago, I had my right shoulder operated on for torn labrum and cuff tear. It took about 6 months to be feeling strong again. Unlike many, I recovered full ROM. Aside – I also had an NFL doc do my surgeries and went to a true sport rehab therapy clinic (provides services to a AAA baseball team). So, I got great resources.

Now, on Oct. 9, 2014, I had my left shoulder done. Torn cuff, bad labrum tear and a bicep tendonesis. Looking for the quicker recovery or at least help since I was 53 years old at the time, I looked into HGH and TB500, as well as other options. TimesRoman, PistolPete, and others on here were very positive on TB500. I read TimesRoman’s log on his use of it. I didn’t have a good source for HGH, so I decided to go the TB500 route. I utilized it for a total of 10 weeks, starting one week after surgery. I started physical therapy 11 days after surgery (that’s pretty quick), but the doc knows me. Well, by Jan. 16, 2015, I was discharged from PT with full ROM and a significant gain in strength. Now, I worked like heck in rehab.

The question is, though: Did the TB500 help/work? I cannot truly say so, but my recovery was extremely good. I didn’t have a baseline to compare my recovery to a recovery without TB500. While I didn’t use it 8 years ago, the injury was different. However, I would definitely use it again.

As for more PT prior to surgery, I’m in favor. At the very least, there is no harm and can possibly improve your condition.

Best of luck!

This is one of the biggest parts of the equation. The surgeon. Do not go to your run of the mill ortho. Go to an ortho that specializes in getting professional athletes, back in competition form. I got lucky enough to get into an ortho that is the Olympic ski/boxing team doctor. This made all the difference, and allowed me to completely avoid surgery.