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    Quote Originally Posted by SworderView
    I don’t believe the HPTA is more susceptible to damage pre-25 because of the under-developed and maturation theory. I believe that it can still get damaged, but not that it is more vulnerable.

    If you had the personal experience I have over the years in dealing with kids under 23-25 years of age after ONE CYCLE your opinion would differ. A lot of people come to me because of my articles/threads/posts on PCT. I’m no doctor or endo, but I believe the members that come to me are being honest, why wouldnt they be honest when they’re admitting they can’t get an erection with their girl. Many of them also lie about their age and state they’re older after I press them on it.

    If there was more data on this it would make the picture a lot easier to read but what we have tells its own story IMO.

    Your "theory" is based on very limited personal experience and almost no data at all on this subject.

    My "theory" is based on hundreds, if not thousands, of members coming to me with these exact problems at very similar ages, if not exact. Same as Marcus here.

    So who knows more on this? You I assume because there is "unsupported data". Remember my definition of "unsupported" again as well.

    I hope you get mine and Marcus’s point now.

    Swifto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sworder;620***6
    Demote or ban me if you wish but I am not the first to bow to incorrect nor unsupported data.

    "Incorrect or unsupported" because none has been posted yet? You come to very eronous conclusions.

    You’re not going to find data on young pubserscent males taking steroids and studying their HPTA maturation/effects/recovery – so you come to the warped conclusion, "its all nonsense as their isnt data". You sometimes lack even a basic understanding of logic.

    In my 8 or so years here, I have dealt with hundreds if not thousands of newbies who are sub 23-22, done one cycle, with PCT and now have a total testosterone level of 100-300 and are siffering from hypogonadism. So becasue their is no science "supporting" that, you come to the conclusion it can’t exist. You can get caught up in studies on animals your entire life and the reason you do it currently is because you lack personal experience. I did it, I was in your shows after 2 cycles and relied heavily on "study this", "study that" – I still do as this is the basis of our understanding of steroids. But after personal experience, you will learn that studies are not the be all and end all and because there isnt a perfect study proving your point.

    If something is "unsupported" it does not mean the theory is wrong/right – its "unsupported" – yet you seem to jump (very quickly) to use that to support your argument(s), even when "personal experience" states otherwise. You can be a man of science and still take into account personal experience, even though its uncontrolled and full of variables and if you dont, your more of an idiot than I thought.

    Swifto
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    I get it too.

    Accutane, tanning, washing 2-3 times daily (you should anyway!), Nizoral and a product called Acne Anhilator (sp) helped me alot.

    Swifto
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    Itchyness, pain, discomfort, swelling, puffyness, lactation, lumps under nipple….

    Quote Originally Posted by ardentView
    why is it better than adex?

    Its suicidal and kills the aromotase enzyme post interaction.

    Aromasin 10mg/ED or EOD depending on aromotasables.

    Swifto
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    Testosterone , Proviron , or anything DHT related.

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