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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3View
    Run this test only cycle – and the bloat is all determined by your diet/training/water intake(more the better) – one can cut on any compound out there if all that above is on point! I’d still say run 300+ but I’d do 500mgs wkly like stated – not b/c you won’t see results on 250mgs wkly, but b/c your not stacking it w/anything yet as you need to know how you react!

    After you know what test does to your body and how your body reacts to it – try EQ – it’s a favorite amongst cyclists etc as it raises RBC in turn gives you more O2 – it will raise your HMC tho(viscosity of blood – depending on dose and duration)… Note – I’m not saying to run EQ now – just test – in future take a look for yourself!

    Cant really see the value of raising RBC and O2 carrying capacity as a 100m sprinter. The event is almost exclusively anaerobic.

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting DogView
    Stephen,

    Here is the problem with low dose cycles…
    Everyone loses some gains during and after PCT due to low test levels.
    Now while you will gain muscle using 250mg test per week. Let’s say you gain 4 lbs.
    Let’s say you would gain 7 lbs using 500mg.
    Let’s say you lose 2lbs during PCT.
    That would leave you with a gain of 2lbs of muscle vs. a 5lb gain.
    Let’s say you could’ve gained a half pound going naturally.
    Net you are left with…
    Either a 1.5lb difference or a 4.5lb difference.

    So the question becomes…
    If you are going to mess with your HPTA and assume the risks of permanent damage…. Is it worth it for 1.5lbs? Why not at least get the 4.5lbs?

    Note I am not saying you won’t gain using 250mg.
    I am saying it is not much gain for the risks assumed.

    Thankyou Mr B, Deadlisfting dog and Redz. I support dogs and your own point of view expressed above and I will start my first cycle at 500mg/w of test e.

    I read the basics of the hcg article as an amateur I have no idea how much natural test hcg keeps you holding.

    I will upload my entire cycle plans into a detailed excel file to the site when im finished.

    Stephen051
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    Okay, lets do a quick summary for cycle 1 testosterone E only. 500mg/w for 12 weeks at 2 X 250mg injections per week every 3 days

    BW done 2 weeks pre cycle.

    Cycle starts—-

    8 weeks in BW done again

    12 weeks passes and cycle finish.

    PCT Clomid and Novalex 14 days after last injection for 6 weeks-

    Clomid @ 75/50/50/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20/20

    6 weeks post cycle during last fortnight of PCT BW done again.

    Bloodwork consists off-

    1. Testosterone , Total
    2. Testosterone, Free
    3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that’s for women)
    4. CBC (Compete blood count)
    5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
    6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)
    7. LH and FSH (pre-cycle and post PCT)
    9. Liver values
    10. Kidney values
    11. Lipid profile
    12. Hematocrit and RBC
    13. Blood pressure

    Am I still nuts or could I start to think about writing a more conclusive planner now? Should PCT be 4 weeks or should be 6? OKAY to do bloodwork during last fortnight of PCT or not?

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by basejackView
    Until you actually read and take notice of the links you have been given I doubt anybody will respond in a nice way to you.

    You can ignore all the advice given and run and design your own crazy cycles if you wish but you’ll be in for a lifetime of pain.

    Here are my top tips

    TEST ONLY FIRST CYCLE

    TIME ON + PCT = TIME OFF

    BLOOD WORK PRE CYCLE AND 6 WEEKS POST PCT (and you will need way more than what you have listed)

    How about the second list of blood-works is it sufficient now?

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BBView
    Seems to be a trend nowadays

    Most people prefer to discuss things rather than sit down and read a text-book. Me I seek bits and pieces of information and know I learn best when people abuse me for stupid remarks. Its just the way I learn.

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BBView
    250mgs of test have 180mgs of actual test

    So on average testes produce 50-75 mgs per week, what does the top 5% produce? Or we want to be average?

    No, not average. The entire population of natural males fall into the realm of 50-75mg/w with extremely rare outliers and that means the top 5% should fall into here too. More than 75mg/w naturally could be said to be extremely rare.

    Mr BB—You just used the argument from fallacy, fallacy to try and disprove my statement through re-wording it. The professor said the tests of natural males produce between 50-75mg/w. He didn’t say the average tests of males produce between 50-75mg/w.

    Assuming I am also using hcg throughout the entire cycle if 180mgs is equivalent to 250mg of test e then lets say I produce 50mg naturally I am actually now on 230mg/w but soon after I stop the test e prior to pct the total in my body will dip well below 50mg/w.

    If I use 500mg/w test e then following that I am on 410mg/w real test for 12 weeks then suddenly dipping below 50mg/w prior to pct.

    Stephen051
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    You guys are crazy if you think I am seriously going ahead with this anytime soon. Once I actually find these substances I will need to get a sample and find somewhere where they can actually test the substance to make sure its what it says it is before even considering pumping it into my body.

    Bloodworks-

    1. Testosterone , Total
    2. Testosterone, Free
    3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that’s for women)
    4. CBC (Compete blood count)
    5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
    6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)
    7. LH and FSH (pre-cycle and post PCT)
    9. Liver values
    10. Kidney values
    11. Lipid profile
    12. Hematocrit and RBC
    13. Blood pressure

    I am just imagining the look on my GPs face as I start to request these tests be done.

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting DogView
    Stephen,

    Here is the problem with low dose cycles…
    Everyone loses some gains during and after PCT due to low test levels.
    Now while you will gain muscle using 250mg test per week. Let’s say you gain 4 lbs.
    Let’s say you would gain 7 lbs using 500mg.
    Let’s say you lose 2lbs during PCT.
    That would leave you with a gain of 2lbs of muscle vs. a 5lb gain.
    Let’s say you could’ve gained a half pound going naturally.
    Net you are left with…
    Either a 1.5lb difference or a 4.5lb difference.

    So the question becomes…
    If you are going to mess with your HPTA and assume the risks of permanent damage…. Is it worth it for 1.5lbs? Why not at least get the 4.5lbs?

    Note I am not saying you won’t gain using 250mg.
    I am saying it is not much gain for the risks assumed.

    Okay Deadlifting Dog, assume the same risks for 500mg as 250mg. How many people start AAS first cycle in life with 500mg test e?

    Whatever baseline for test E dosage I choose, I will keep this base dosage amount for life as my St07 for PE will be on tren and winny and managing the side effects though BW results with other compounds.

    Stephen051
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    As per advise I found elsewhere on the site after each cycle I will make an appointment with my GP to check the following-

    *Quote Hartman 1/10/2013)

    Some things to check that have recovered/returned to baseline before blasting again:

    Liver values
    Kidney values
    Lipid profile
    Hematocrit and RBC
    Blood pressure

    Anything else to check? Also after reading I am now planning to do injectables rather than orals I am now thinking to start at just weekly 100mg of tren , 50mg of winstrol and 500mg test all injectables. Tren and test with short halflife should be every 48hrs so basically each 3 injections per week at 33mg tren and 16.5mg winstrol plus a weekly shot of test 500mg.

    For the time being I will work with being off for time on cycle plus pct for the time between cycles. But would still prefer to have a bit of extra opinion and also relating to the best type of test for first cycle.

    Stephen051
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    Could I get a third opinion on time between cycles? The net is full of conflicting advise on the matter.
    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbereView
    I think Tengen’s advise is spot on. You planning a second cycle 2 months after the first is overkill.

    The general rule of thumb is time on plus length of PCT is equal to the least amount of time between cycles.

    Regardless, you are jumping the gun to even be considering a second cycle at this point. Work on successfully completing the first cycle.

    Test p is not the best compound to use for a first cycle. It would be in your best interest to use either test e or c. Read the thread attached in post #2 about a dozen more times.

    Ok, I am on it.

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbereView
    If one has a crappy diet and does not control e2 then they can have more blot on 250 mg/week than a person who diets and manages e2 correctly while taking 1 g/week.

    What do you mean by e2? I hear it again and again. e2 e2 what you guys on about?

    Stephen051
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    I was watdark_sideng an AAS documentary recently and the professor of endocrinology was saying the tests produce naturally between 50-75mg/ test /week. So 250mg test e is still significantly higher than natural output or what is called a physiologic dose.

    Also many elite TrueMaxders have been found to be taking 100X the physiologic "naturally produced dose" of testosterone (i.e. 100X 50-75mg is 5000-7500mg test/week). This is obviously a problem.

    So for you guys who argue 250mg (almost 4 times the natural production of testosterone), do you still think it will not give me any results? I think you will find the professor would disagree. Four times natural output of test is a significant deviation from natural levels. Even if results are minimal I don’t see test e as a drug I will use for PE but rather as a drug to assist with helping me move and manage into the real deal of AAS for PE which are tren and winstrol .

    If I am using hcg while on cycle at 250mg/w my tests might still be making 50mg of natural weekly test so I could well be still getting 300mg/test/week which is 4 times the physiologic dose.

    Gram for gram when it comes to PE test simply cannot compete with tren or win however test is a base hormone being the male primary sex hormone it is useful as a tool for using AAS properly kind of like clomid and nova for pct, hcg during cycle, ect. At the moment I stand by the idea that for my application and purpose as a sprinter test is merely a tool for keeping my body working properly and not a drug of choice for PE. However for you guys who do TrueMaxding and want to risk using it at 10-100 times the physiologic dose and want the huge and thick looking/water holding bodies, good-luck to you.

    Stephen051
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    Hey guys I read the entire article today. I will post my new steroid cycle plans in the next few days. Will have two months between cycles as I think Tengens suggestion of 20weeks between cycles is a bit of an overkill. Don’t you?

    However PCT (oral novalex and clomid) for 4 weeks with it starting 3 days after last injection of testosterone propionate followed by 2 months break before starting the next cycle is what im working from now. Someone let me know if its still wrong.

    Stephen051
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    Quote Originally Posted by redzView
    I’ve never heard of runners using tren at all, winstrol on the other hand is very performance enhancing. I`m not arguing that test at a low dose can be used as a base I`m just explaining stacking compounds makes no sense for a first cycle.

    Okay, well if you read my posts you will learn my first cycle is test e only 250mg/w but I plan on stacking both win and tren down the line in future cycles while using 250mg test e as a base.

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