RawIron

there is a huge difference between 23 and 18…

if 25 is safe you are just 2 year away and 25 is just a general age where HPTA finish developping.
at 23 you might be perfectly fine.

but at 18 you cant be fine its just too young…

next time keep that stupid comment for yourself

The reason i asked that question is because my friends injected for me during summer and i didnt bother doing it myself so thats why i didnt know anything about this.
My stats are
18 yo 178cm 82kg 11% bf 15 inch arms 23 inch quads dont know any other measurements of the body but yeah thats pretty much it, oh ya and max bench only 95kg
. Its so hard to stay natural when all your friends around ya are doing steroids and gaining more and saying it is right good and safe…..
i did a year naturally and did my first cycle when i just turned 18 in may
did 7 weeks of dbol , first 2 weeks 30mg then the rest 5 weeks 50mg ed
rested one week after it went on Test Prop for 4 weeks 100mg every monday and thursday
Never did any PCT learned the hardway , testosterone levels are recovered thats what my doctor said anyway normal test levels are 9 – 36 , mine were 18..
I have read about Young & Steroids , i do know the risks and side effects and i have cycled before its my own decision i just wanted some help out here :/
I am educated enough now about the cycle and the pct
My estrogen is high enough naturally i got gyno look naturally before by eating load of soy and eating load of fat foods and unhealthy processed foods.
The cycle i am going to do will look like this :
1-3 weeks Tamoxifen 40mg a day to lower the estrogen before the cycle
3-5 weeks Test E by Sci-Tec Lab 250mg Monday and Thursday to build it up slowly until it kicks in, and run Alphabol Dbol 50mg ed with it
5-6 weeks increase the dose to 500mg at once and inject once a week from now on every Thursday, Still Running dbol with it 50mg a day, use Tamoxifen again if nipples start getn sensitive , puffy or hurting. another question i have to ask on this forum is can you run tamoxifen while on cycle will it affect the gains iv read before that it might.
6-8 weeks Test E 500mg 1wk/Thursday, Dbol 50mg a day, Arimidex 1mg 3 times a week because i was told it so strong and looked it up before
8-10 weeks Test 500mg 1wk/Thursday, maybe buy more DBOL for 2 weeks if nt happy with the gains , still running 1mg of arimidex 3 times a week
10-12 weeks Just Test E 500mg 1wk/ and Arimidex 1mg 3 times a week
12-15 weeks Lower Test E to 250mg a week for better recovery, and still using arimidex 1 mg 3 times a week
Iv read that i have to start HCG 10 days after my last injections if im using long esters like TEST E, and it stays in ur system up to 21 days after the last injection , so my goal is to have HCG recovered me as just my Test E runs out of the system so then i can start my SERM therapy with Clomid and Nolvadex . Im planning to use HCG for 10 days straight with 500iu Everyday injection with some Vitamin E.
While im resting 10 days before i start my HCG after the last injection i was thinking to use Clenbuterol during that period because i read it on one of the threads here that it helps to protect the muscle not sure about that one though and who wouldnt want to protect muscles while getn lean. After im done with the hcg im planning to use Clomid and Tamoxifen for recovery
i will be using both of them for 6 weeks
week 1 clom 150mg/ed Tamoxifen 40mg /ed
week 2 clomd 150m/ed Tamoxifen 40mg/ed
week 3 clomid 100mg/ed Tamoxifen 20mg/ed
week 4 clomid 100mg/ed Tamoxifen 20mg/ed
week 5 clomid 50mg/ed Tamoxifen 10mg/ed
week 6 optional will do it clomid 50mg/ed Tamoxifen 10mg/ed
reason im going so high on clomid is its nt as strong as tamoxifen and wont match it for mg’s
Sorry for asking stupid questions about mg’s and ml’s but im still learning and looking for help here.
Can anyone please tell me if my cycle is wrong or correct me in some bits as i am still learning
In my opinion this cycle looks safe enough to me , i know i probably will keep 2/10 of the gains but still i just want to get that feeling again of working out with great endurance strength and good pumps.

New member here and was just wondering were steroids truly worth it for you? How has it impacted your life?

Discuss

Hi All,

Just a new guy curious to take that next step. Ive done most of the basic research and I read the sticky thread and the articles and all but no better way to put the worries to rest than getting confirmation from actual people regarding my specific case. So please help me with my final concerns and help me get the best result and avoiding any possible mistakes.

Im 6.4"(195cm) and currently weigh 187lbs (85kg). Started out at 152 lbs (69kg) a little over half a year ago and with consistent lifting and a 4000cal 50%/30%/20% diet I was able to gain weight slow and steady but its been difficult still. If I don’t work out for a week or don’t keep stuffing myself with food, im that guy who instantly goes back to being all skin and bones. So after looking into everything I want to try my first cycle to put on that extra weight and muscle.

From what ive read so far the below cycle would be decent for a beginner:

250 mg Sustanon for 8 weeks
25 mg Dianabol for 6 weeks
1 pill of 10 mg Nolvaldex – tamoxifen – Daily
HCG 2500UI for first 2 weeks of PCT
Clomifeno 50mg/per for the last 2 weeks of PCT.

Week 1-6 Dianabol 25mg
Week 1-8 Sustanon 250mg + Nolvaldex 10mg
Week 9-12 PCT with HCG 2500UI and Clomid 50mg.

I understand theres a lot of details and extra things u can and should do but with this setup above, do I have the bases covered for a first cycle? The liver protection? The testosterone management? The after effect? The help against losing the gains immediately after the cycle?

Also I currently take a weight gainer shake and 5gr of creatine a day. Should I stop with the creatine once I start the cycle as it might be a bit unnecessary?

I hope to start by March if everything is 100% clear. Appreciate any help and feedback you all have

Regards,

M