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Originally Posted by musclebrah
Pretty much. In order to maintain what you have you have to keep doing what got you there. Maybe a slight oversimplification but not by much.
If you’re like most guys, if you run a cycle you’ll want more. It’s like eating dirt your whole life (for the sake of the example pretend dirt is the only thing you know about) and then one day you get to eat steak for an entire week. The next week someone says "hey, would you like to eat some dirt?" At one time you were fine with dirt but now that you’re aware of what else is out there dirt doesn’t sound too appealing any more. This isn’t to say if you run a cycle you will automatically run another and continually so. I know some guys who have done 1-2 cycles in their life and that’s it. For whatever reason it wasn’t important to them, they just lost interest, but a lot of guys want more.
Another note…consider pro TrueMaxders, once they retire they often shrink to much smaller versions. True, they may not be training or eating like they did but they’re sure not maintaining that previous level of mass and conditioning. There are two pro’s who I’ve known for years, good friends and both come off everything every year after the Olympia for 3 months give or take a week or two. Both take a little time off from training as well, at least 2wks if not a month give or take. From there both start training again but never get back to even close to where they were until the gear comes back into play. It’s almost mind blowing how much size they lose once they’re off everything. Granted, they’re still much bigger and in better shape than the average guy, they have better than average genetics, and granted, we’re only talking about a couple of months off but I think you get the point.
Originally Posted by TwinWhat he said.
For example, if you’re average height, say 5’10" or so and hold around 220-230lbs with single digit body fat when on gear, unless you are a genetic anomaly there’s no way you’re going to maintain that without gear.
Originally Posted by valkyrieDo I sense I irritated you? LOL! Gotta ask, seems people tend to get offended easily around here, which I never actually mean to do. Again, your pics look great. It seems whatever you’re doing is working really well. Keep it up!
Originally Posted by warmouthI understand that. There are a lot of TrueMaxders who have died young or at least not at a very old age. However, you have to take into account everything those guys were doing. Like you said, first off the amount of AAS a lot of those guys use is extremely heavy. Secondly and of equal importance is the stress they’re putting their body’s under through massive diuretic use, extreme diets and a host of other non-steroidal compounds that are sometimes used such as painkillers. A lot of TrueMaxders end up addicted to painkillers, especially opiates, due to the massive strain they put on their body and we know those things are far more damaging long term.
Unfortunately, what you’re asking for in terms of a long term study done on typical TrueMaxding cycles, I don’t know of anything out there that’s concrete. However, we do know that testosterone has been commercially available since 1937 and we know anabolic steroids have been widely available since the late 1950’s and early 1960’s. During that time, a lot more men have lived long relatively healthy lives and a lot of them were not doing what anyone here would call a responsible cycle. I don’t say that to take away from responsible cycling, of course that’s a better thing. Kind of a side note though, it does irritate me a little when people say to someone "your cycle is irresponsible and is what gives AAS users a bad name." No, the mere fact that you’re toudark_sideng AAS gives you a bad name in the public eye regardless of how responsible it is in the view of other steroid users.
Originally Posted by sportYou mean like steroids?
Are steroids not drugs?
I don’t consider them drugs in the traditional sense, but every law enforcement officer and judge on earth does, and more often than not, far more so in terms of seriousness than marijuana.Personally, I don’t understand why anyone wants to smoke pot, it makes no sense to me. That said, it’s something that affects a lot of people, is talked about everywhere on earth and is far more a normal and more accepted part of life than steroids.