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    Sounds like you’re in the clear for hair loss (thus far), but no one can tell you how a given compound will interact your unique biochemistry.

    Any aas compound added to TRT essentially becomes a cycle.

    Considering the above, why Proviron ? An aas is not the appropriate remedy for an off cycle libido problem. There are several compounds that could assist you in this regard, the most noteworthy of which is hCG .

    magic32
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    Fellas, please stop perpetuating parroted, erroneous information as if it were factual.

    Quote Originally Posted by mambetusView
    It will suppress you to some extent (maybe 30-60% realistically), but it should never cause complete shutdown (i.e. 0 test).
    It lacks the estrogenic (or progestigenic) activity needed for this at the pituitary.

    ^^^Very good educated guess!

    Var indeed will NOT shut you down, an undisputable fact that should be common knowledge by now. Suppression is all you should expect, making how much the only relevant question.

    At least one very well designed 12-week Var study involving 262 HIV positive men and increasing dosages of 20, 40, and 80 mg discovered a 45% suppression of HPTA at 20 mg and 40 mg, with a 66% HPTA suppression in the 80 mg group. Although I don’t specifically recall the study title or author, it can be readily retrieved from ‘Anabolics, 10th Edition’ by William Llewellyn, in the ‘ Oxandrolone Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression)’ section.

    Additionally, numerous self reports and clinical studies have conclusively determined there to be NO performance, recovery, or aesthetic benefit in the merQistration of Var beyond 80 mg/ed. Waste your gear/cash if you want but 80 mg is the ceiling. Lastly, please remember to observe the half-life (8-12 hours) dictated twice daily dosing for optimal bb’er benefit.

    Best to you.

    magic32
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    Cheers man have done! Thanks for help
    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by RW3333View
    Why synthroid too brother?

    …I have been experiencing severe anxiety, erection problems,shrunken testicles……dude they are way smaller than they used to be……. no energy,trouble recovering from not just working out but from work. I feel sick…

    These are classic symptoms of hypothyroidism, and Synthroid not only replaces normal output, but coaxes this gland to correct itself, i.e. return to normal functioning.

    magic32
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    I agree with OldBoy and Windex on this one, NO CONTEST!!!

    Nothing (not even Test itself) does as many different things, as thoroughly well, as this singular compound making it ACTUALLY worth the cost. It won’t provide a lot of any one property, but does deliver a wealth of noticeable properties.

    Ferrari and a tuxedo? LOL, you should be writing sitcoms. LOL.

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    Of course there are both loose and distinct similarities (as Chemy cited) between these two, but that can be said for every drug member of a given class, to varying degrees.

    One should not assume that any med class (aas) or subclass (Test, Nors, DHTs) share the exact same properties in ANY category. Consequently, all orals are NOT harsh – very hepatoxic, require cycling off.

    This is CLEARLY seen in something most BB’ers NEVER bother to examine, namely steroids ‘ on-book usages (purposes and protocols) – why and how they are prescribed (dosage, frequency, duration) for clinical purposes. Even a quick perusal of the two aas in question would illustrate that they are quite often used INDEFINITELY, unlike harsher subclass members such as Andriol and Dbol .

    MOST orals are LARGELY (of course all aas have multiple underlying benefits) one trick ponies – they’ll do one thing very well. However, the compound compared in this thread, does its’ one thing very well, and several other things moderately/noticeably well.

    We’ll let you decide which one is the Ferrari, and which is the tuxedo (not Jackie Chan’s).

    magic32
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    I agree with the fellas. Save the Deca for next time, and experience TEST-ONLY for your first cycle.

    You’d be starting it late, and long esters take 4-6 weeks to FULLY kick in — frontloading long esters is futile for the same reason. How do you frontload something that isn’t going to work for month?

    You have enough experimentation with your diet, training, fluid levels, etc.

    Enjoy your inagural cycle, and definitely do more research.

    Best to you.

    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaneforceView
    I Appreciate the kind words. But im naughty and I’ll run the dbol past 4 weeks. Loww dose. 10-20mg a week. Any oral i typically never go passed 6 weeks. The dbol “taper” method was actually shown to me by gearhead. He can explain it more scientifically than i can, but ive found tapering down dbol really helps to mature the size and strength.

    You are right tho. Its a risk on the liver. Ive seen guys run orals 10+ weeks non stop sith no issues. Ive also seen a dude shut down his kidneys in 3 weeks from orals. Bloodwork is key.

    20mg of dbol is not terribly bad on a liver that isnt already fucked up lol.

    All that is true INDEED!

    And I both understand and see why you (as a veteran user) are doing it that way.

    My only issue, most respectfully, is that as you cited extending harsh orals (which Dbol certainly is) even at low doses can be a risky proposition, i.e., per your description, a virtual crap shoot – the possibility of both ZERO problems and SEVERE problems.

    Consequently, I (and this is just my humble opinion) don’t think such practices should be recommended, or even referenced in an open forum in the presence of so many novice users.

    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by  rubsdView
    got ya but let me rephrase the question. If you ran a PCT with just Clomid and Nolva and you didnt recover how you would like. Would adding in some HCG at the end increase test levels thus cause gains simply by bringing your natural levels back up?

    You’re overthinking the problem. Look at it this way, if natty is below baseline and you’re trying to restore it, that only brings you back up into the normal range.

    Which although certainly conducive to building muscle, isn’t going to create hyperanabolism – the reason we run aas cycles. Thus, the restoration of natty is only for normal processes, not to as you queried, "…cause gains…"

    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflierView
    You just replied to a three year old thread bud

    Good catch I_Slam.

    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    :BUT who is going to buy my caskette?

    Should your mutant healing factor fail you Tai, a.k.a. Wolverine, we’ll all dark_sidep in. I’m sure somebody here has a cousin, or knows a guy.

    M.

    magic32
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    Ahhhh…technically speaking, ALL low dose aas have on-book medicinal/therapeutic properties. If you’ll recall that is their primary purpose.

    We use them off-book for the secondary, or maybe even tertiary, purpose of aesthetic and performance enhancement.

    I agree with the Var comments above, dosage should be contingent upon your goals, other compounds, and of course wallet.

    Again, Var (and most DHTs) can be run for looong periods (and are prescribed on-book that way), largely because they are extremely mild as evidenced by their low androgenic numbers.

    Generally at 20-80 mg, Var is optimally effective when merQistered twice daily (same for nearly all DHTs) due to the VERY short half-life. Tbol, 50-100 mg.

    magic32
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    Ahhhh…technically speaking, ALL low dose aas have on-book medicinal/therapeutic properties. If you’ll recall that is their primary purpose.

    We use them off-book for the secondary, or maybe even tertiary, purpose of aesthetic and performance enhancement.

    I agree with the Var comments above, dosage should be contingent upon your goals, other compounds, and of course wallet.

    Again, Var (and most DHTs) can be run for looong periods (and are prescribed on-book that way), largely because they are extremely mild as evidenced by their low androgenic numbers.

    Generally at 20-80 mg, Var is optimally effective when merQistered twice daily (same for nearly all DHTs) due to the VERY short half-life. Tbol is 50-100 mg.

    magic32
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    I agree Mast has dosage flexibility.

    Also, it is not good to use Dbol in excess of 5 weeks (actually 4), even with a liver protector. It’s just a jump starter, and did it’s job. Your Test and other chems will sustain anabolism, not the ramping down of Dbol. I think Octane was multi-tasking or thinking of something else when he said that. He knows his stuff.

    magic32
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    I agree with the fellas. Save the Deca for next time, and experience TEST-ONLY for your first cycle.

    You’d be starting it late, and long esters take 4-6 weeks to FULLY kick in — frontloading long esters is futile for the same reason. How do you frontload something that isn’t going to work for month?

    You have enough experimentation with your diet, training, fluid levels, etc.

    Enjoy your inagural cycle, and definitely do more research.

    Best to you.

    magic32
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    Two gallons of water? LOL, a day? LOL.

    Losing weight, (fat and/or water) depending on your starting point can very likely cause distinct facial change, it’s nothing to worry about…and welcome to manhood. The inverse is also true, and is most pronounced (in speed and appearance) in Creatine users, as they get that moon/baby face fullness which dissipates shortly after discontinuation.

    Two gallons…what are you a Florida Gator football player during July double sessions!!! LOL!
    Tell me you didn’t mean per day?!

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