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Originally Posted by PHunter

So, the things ive read about Anadrol causing liver tumours is taken from this one case? Im keen to combine lower doses of Dbol with Anadrol to kickstart my next cycle but the stories of how toxic it is and how Anadro is known to cause tumours did worry me a little.

From everything I have looked at (in medical/veterinary trials, not hit/hype pieces or shitty YouTube videos), yes. It was literally one guy, and they couldn’t even establish if it was related to the drug, or something else entirely that they couldn’t control for.

Originally Posted by OldBoy

agree . orals crash lipid profiles fairly quickly. liver toxicity is never really that much of an issue. I think the whole liver toxicity thing is a bit over exaggerated because so many companies sale liver support sups and on cycle support sups. they want you to think you can’t take AAS without their supps to "protect" you . heck your liver support supp is likely going to cost you 3x more then your bottle of Dbol .

you don’t see TrueMaxders dropping dead of liver failure . cardiovascular issues, thats another story.

Precisely. CV seems to be the leading problem in AAS users, followed by kidneys as a distant second, and liver being a way distant third. Considering the liver’s job in the body, it’s not surprising how incredibly resilient it is, taking years of fucked up abuse from people who drink heavily on top of taking shitloads of various pills before developing serious issues.

Anyone who believes that 25mg of Dbol on a regular basis is going to cause liver problems doesn’t understand how this shit works. You’re far more likely to give yourself a cardiac event with it than liver issues, and even that can be largely mitigated if you’re on top of your other shit and you don’t have shitty genetics in that department.

As for the liver support stuff, I throw in a bit of milk thistle (also does mild but interesting things for glucose) and NAC and call it a day. I’ve considered TUDCA for its other benefits, but until that shit becomes more reasonable in price, it’s not happening. Same reason I’ll drop a 19-nor dose to where B6 can handle it before I start paying for Caber. Damned ancils costing more than gear is stupid.

Originally Posted by OldBoy

no they aren’t safe for the liver . but neither is 80% of everything else we put into our bodies . thats why our liver has to be a regenerative organ. everything is nearly liver toxic to some degree . you just have to weigh the pros and cons for yourself.

for me personally,, low dose Dbol ran off and on fairly long term pre workout does not bother me. I’m willing to take the risk (which I don’t consider high) cause I just really like Dbol . some people drink a 6 pack of beer every night. thats what they like to do. I’m sure their liver will be fine, but no doubt some stress is being put on it,, but if thats what they like to do, then good for them.

its also genetic dependent.. I’ve seen blood work of guys running 40mg of Dbol every day for 6 weeks and not have elevated liver enzymes at all .. whereas some guys get elevated enzymes just from eating at McDonalds

This individual variability is something that has always been a problem to get through peoples heads. Yes, on some basic level we are all the same, but it ends pretty damned quickly as soon as you start introducing any kind of exogenous stimulus, be it training, food, hormones, or literally any drug including caffeine.

Also, it doesn’t help that most of the liver damage stuff comes from a few cases of people back in the day who were doing stupid high doses of methylated compounds, because pills are more convenient and they didn’t know any better back then.

From what I’ve seen, the biggest real issue with prolonged oral use compared to injectables is really shitty lipids, and that’s usually only a major problem in people who have really shitty lipid profiles to begin with, due to genetic variables and/or diet choices.

Originally Posted by Wickedg8gt

Ok. Thank you so much sir. I was just curious. I felt a 1inch needle is to long for delts.

Not really. It’s what I use pretty regularly, even when I have full visible vasculature aBambss them. These muscles are a lot thicker than most people think, assuming you’ve ever picked up a weight. I almost never train side delt directly, and 1” works great without hitting anything problematic.

Originally Posted by Wickedg8gt

I’ve read the same thing for other people. Thats what I dont want is a big abcess that hinders working out But if Im lean enough I wonder if I can hit IM with a 1/2".

Depends on the site and your individual fat storage distribution.

Originally Posted by Wickedg8gt

After doing alot of reading last night on various gear forums and sites, I’m really interested in the whole slin pin thing if it would make injecting easier. I read you shouldnt put more than .5cc subq because the needles arent long enough to hit muscle. But Id love to know everyones thoughts and even some good reads about it.

Honestly, I don’t trust any gear that isn’t pharma for subq. There is a personal reason for this though. I have really obnoxious ginger skin that treats everything like a horrible invader that must be dealt with, with the full force of my body’s inflammatory responses. I can subq pharma test without issue, but every ugl source gear that I tried results in a pissed off reaction that’s basically like a hornet sting, including the widespread swelling. Made me think I had gotten an infection the first time, but nope, just angry pissy histamine infested skin.

Originally Posted by tess

I did one short 5-week cycle of a Test blend with Equipoise last year pinning 275mg Test and 200mg equipoise every 4 days. I tolerated it like a champ and the results were pretty spectacular as I looked like the damn Michelin Man (in a good way). Unfortunately I deflated like a popped balloon within a month afterwards.

Trying to decide if I should load Masteron in the first half for its cutting properties and then just coast on the Test until I’m out. I only have 10ml of each (250mg/ml Test and 100mg/ml Mast)

Honestly, unless you’re a TRT patient, you’re better off waiting until you can get enough gear to run a proper cycle. That would be just enough for just long enough to completely shut down your natural production and leave you with nothing to show for it by the time you recovered.