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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix7View
    I personally always take mine about an hour before. My general timing is food at two hours, dbol at one, 4-500mg caffeine pwo and ephedrine at 30 minutes.

    There may or may not be something wrong with me.

    Thank you ��

    Zikka
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    I can’t think of any reason why that would be suggested. can you copy and paste their reasoning.

    I use EQ all the time for cruising phases as well as Dbol all the time pre workout. never had an issue. also have had EQ in volumization phases with Dbol. found them to work quite well together (though Anardol is a bit better with it for a volumization phase)

    How long before training should you take Dbol for pre-workout? Thanks

    Zikka
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    heres why some guys can end up with "deca dick" .. there are two things needed for an erection, androgens and estrogen. DHT is needed for the physical action itself, and estrogen is needed for the mental (as estrogen controls the male libido) . also estrogen is needed for blood flow (its a hormone responsible for vascular elasticity and nitric oxide production).

    those two things are pretty much the very things that Deca does NOT produce. Deca is not androgenic in that instead of converting to DHT it converts to DHN , which then binds to DHT receptors and occupies them yet doesn’t illicit any androgenic effect . also natty test levels are going to fall off so you won’t be getting more DHT coming in either . which is also why your estrogen levels will also begin falling off.
    over time you’ll have no androgenic load and no estrogenic load to work with (and thus struggle with sex drive and erection ability).

    Then there is a third thing . Deca is a progestin thats going to bind to progestin receptors. this in turn can elevate Prolactin levels, which when way too elevated can also cause erection issues .

    and an un-related to deca its fourth thing that often times happen , guys start taking a high dose of an AI from day one of their deca cycle , mistakingly thinking they need it cause they think deca aromatizes a lot (which it doesn’t, again your e levels will go down on deca, not up) , and then they crash their estrogen super quick and of course have lethargy, no sex drive, etc ..

    so whats the best bet. stack some androgenic and aromatizing based compounds in with your deca. first one is clearly test because it converts to both DHT and Estrogen . also you can stack another androgen like Masteron which will lower SHRonin , which then thus allows for more androgenic activity by freeing up bound DHT into the blood stream . Mast will also blunt some of the progestin effects . and also you can add in low dose Dbol to get even more estrogen if need be.

    Thank you very much for the explanation. Feel much more confident running a Deca cycle now!

    So could a Deca cycle look something like the following:

    Test E 700mg weekly
    Deca 500mg weekly
    Masteron 300mg weekly

    Zikka
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    How common is Deca dick? I would really like to try running Deca but I have just read horror stories about people having Deca dick up to 6-12 months after they stopped

    Zikka
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    Arnold , Mike Menzer, etc.. seemed to hold on to plenty of muscle using Dbol as their main compound.. thats what they had easy access to and ran, heck lot of those guys didn’t even use test, just dbol.

    as gallow said , its "operator error" , if you can’t make gains with Dbol. you piss away all you gains cause your diet and training were not on point and you didn’t run the drug long enough..

    the water retention and volumization that come with Dbol is a good thing, not a "negative" side effect.. you need that water retention and volumization to support growth , but the growth process takes time and proper nutrition.
    a 4 week blast of Dbol, water retention comes, and you piss it all away and of course you’ll think Dbol is worthless..

    but you need to hold onto that water retention for months on end and grow into it. thats how Dbol works.

    this whole Dbol cycle for only 4 weeks thing to avoid liver toxicity is utter bullshit ..
    I’ve ran Dbol for 12 months straight.
    guys back in the day like I mentioned got good results and keepable gains from Dbol , but they commited to it and ran it for months on end…
    this pussy bullshit 4 week dbol cycles is why you lose your gains.
    give the proper nutrition so the Dbol has the co factors, give proper training so the stimulus there, and allow the water retention so reach a state of homeostasis over time and you will find that Dbol does plenty of good shit and plenty of keepable gains

    Thank you very much for the explanation!
    Do you think 30 mg. everyday for 8 weeks is sufficient?

    Zikka
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrogenView
    You are not going to get any long lasting results from dbol period and it is not made to.
    I have run it both ways.
    You also talk about stopping dbol and losing everything while on cycle. It doesn’t work that way.

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    So if I did 30mg of Dbol per day for 8 weeks and diet is on point I would not get any keep-able gains?

    Zikka
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    Thanks for your reply. It make sense
    So do you think 6 weeks is to short of a cycle?
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