Sirius

Originally Posted by Nicky1010

I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
I’m not here to say you’re wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
But.
I haven’t started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
What I mean by that – If you’re 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don’t cycle until you put on some size.

I won’t go on and on, but what I’m saying is this.

If you’re smart, and you’ve done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don’t be afraid to do it because you’re too young. Everyone is different.

You said it yourself, everyone is different. That could mean your 4 friends are perfectly fine the way they’ve done it (that may be another story in 5-10 years) and then boom you’re suffering depression and low test, limp dick after your first cycle. The risks are dramatically increased when you mess with your HPTA before it’s fully developed, so it’s safer to wait.

Originally Posted by Tommy_S

Hey guys,

So need a bit of TIIVICE ASAP.

So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

Shots 1-3 – 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
Shots 4-6 – 0.75 ml of Test P
After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P – do you think this is too little?

I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

What do you recommend?

PS been injecting into my glutes… is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?

Stats:

Age: 23
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 90kgs
BF: 14%
Training – Strength 531 3 Times week min
Bench: 115kgs
Squat: 120 kgs
DLift: 180 kgs

Anything else I missed?

I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand for PCT but been reading two different sets of advice – running HCG on cycle and waiting until after. Went with my trainers advice and will run after.

Trainers recommendation:
Week 1-4: Use 0.5 ml of 100mg Tets P for tolerance – TWICE A WEEK
Week 5-8 – Double to 1ml of Test P – TWICE A WEEK

Right now can manage only twice due to the pain and logisitics – am moving . But next week thinking of pinning EOD – 3 times a week?

Will only be able to pin again on Wednesday as will be on the road from Thursday to Saturday and tbh been using nurses at clinic to inject me, still got a bit of needle phobia.

Any advice is appreciated

Your trainer doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Post your question in the open forum this is a thread.

Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal H10 of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you merQistrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone H10 and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I’ve seen personally over the last 25yrs I’ve been TrueMaxding. Obviously it isn’t going to be all 19- 21yr old TrueMaxders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

Originally Posted by Twan 

Thanks Sirius – I’m gonna go with the advice here and assume the dosing is spot on and 50mg isn’t the way forward. I had my reservations hence posting here .. but was assured the women they deal with who compete used a tab a day but 50mg from reading around is asking for trouble

Thanks again !

You’re welcome it’d be safest to start with 10-20mg and work your way up.