The young and Steroids

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- October 30, 2020 at 4:17 am
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marcus300
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Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I’ve seen personally over the last 25yrs I’ve been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn’t going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

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- December 4, 2020 at 2:27 am
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AHAMAY
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this was a great and help full post
- December 4, 2020 at 3:48 am
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Mr.Alone
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Very nice post from a very well informed man, keep it up
- December 4, 2020 at 4:45 am
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Tommy_S
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Hey guys,

So need a bit of TIIVICE ASAP.

So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

Shots 1-3 – 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
Shots 4-6 – 0.75 ml of Test P
After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P – do you think this is too little?

I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

What do you recommend?

PS been injecting into my glutes… is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?

Stats:

Age: 23
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 90kgs
BF: 14%
Training – Strength 531 3 Times week min
Bench: 115kgs
Squat: 120 kgs
DLift: 180 kgs

Anything else I missed?

I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand for PCT but been reading two different sets of advice – running HCG on cycle and waiting until after. Went with my trainers advice and will run after.

Trainers recommendation:
Week 1-4: Use 0.5 ml of 100mg Tets P for tolerance – TWICE A WEEK
Week 5-8 – Double to 1ml of Test P – TWICE A WEEK

Right now can manage only twice due to the pain and logisitics – am moving . But next week thinking of pinning EOD – 3 times a week?

Will only be able to pin again on Wednesday as will be on the road from Thursday to Saturday and tbh been using nurses at clinic to inject me, still got a bit of needle phobia.

Any advice is appreciated
- December 4, 2020 at 5:52 am
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Sirius
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Originally Posted by Tommy_S

Hey guys,

So need a bit of TIIVICE ASAP.

So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

Shots 1-3 – 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
Shots 4-6 – 0.75 ml of Test P
After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P – do you think this is too little?

I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

What do you recommend?

PS been injecting into my glutes… is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?

Stats:

Age: 23
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 90kgs
BF: 14%
Training – Strength 531 3 Times week min
Bench: 115kgs
Squat: 120 kgs
DLift: 180 kgs

Anything else I missed?

I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand for PCT but been reading two different sets of advice – running HCG on cycle and waiting until after. Went with my trainers advice and will run after.

Trainers recommendation:
Week 1-4: Use 0.5 ml of 100mg Tets P for tolerance – TWICE A WEEK
Week 5-8 – Double to 1ml of Test P – TWICE A WEEK

Right now can manage only twice due to the pain and logisitics – am moving . But next week thinking of pinning EOD – 3 times a week?

Will only be able to pin again on Wednesday as will be on the road from Thursday to Saturday and tbh been using nurses at clinic to inject me, still got a bit of needle phobia.

Any advice is appreciated

Your trainer doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Post your question in the open forum this is a thread.
- December 4, 2020 at 7:10 am
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lauren94
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Is this the same case for women though? I’m a 20 year old woman.
- December 4, 2020 at 8:17 am
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Stracize
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I’m so glad i ran into this post. I was on the verge of making a high risk mistake getting into something i have very little knowledge about. I’m only 21 working out for less than a year. I realized while reading this post that instead of finding easier ways to get results quick i should first see how far i can go on my own and maybe later on consider it… Maybe i won’t even need it.

Thanks for this post.
- December 4, 2020 at 9:39 am
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Homer
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Originally Posted by lauren94

Is this the same case for women though? I’m a 20 year old woman.

Steroids effect both male and female the same way. But not sure what is the safe age for women to use anabolics.
- December 4, 2020 at 11:07 am
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Homer
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Originally Posted by Stracize

I’m so glad i ran into this post. I was on the verge of making a high risk mistake getting into something i have very little knowledge about. I’m only 21 working out for less than a year. I realized while reading this post that instead of finding easier ways to get results quick i should first see how far i can go on my own and maybe later on consider it… Maybe i won’t even need it.

Thanks for this post.

Wise man.
- December 4, 2020 at 12:03 pm
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Aegis
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Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I’ve researched I don’t think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?
- December 4, 2020 at 1:25 pm
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Aegis
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Bump for a reply.
Anyone please. Is Clenbuterol and/or T3 ok for under 25s? (Dosed Correctly)_
- December 4, 2020 at 2:39 pm
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Sirius
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Originally Posted by Aegis

Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I’ve researched I don’t think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?

T3 doesn’t discriminate between muscle tissue and adipose tissue (fat) so it is catabolic itself more or less, clen is fine but I’d recommend albuterol > clen because it has less sides and is safer as well as works through anabolic pathways helping you maintain muscle easier.
- December 4, 2020 at 3:34 pm
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Blank
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Originally Posted by lovbyts

Great read but to get it through to some of these guys I think we need to shorten it, summarize it a bit because you know the attention-span of most kids is about 15 seconds or 2 sentences. LOL

Dough there’s any kids on here man, teens maybe but not kids
- December 4, 2020 at 4:41 pm
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Blank
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Originally Posted by lovbyts

Great read but to get it through to some of these guys I think we need to shorten it, summarize it a bit because you know the attention-span of most kids is about 15 seconds or 2 sentences. LOL

Dough there’s any kids on here man, teens maybe but not kids
- December 4, 2020 at 5:57 pm
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Aegis
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Originally Posted by Sirius

T3 doesn’t discriminate between muscle tissue and adipose tissue (fat) so it is catabolic itself more or less, clen is fine but I’d recommend albuterol > clen because it has less sides and is safer as well as works through anabolic pathways helping you maintain muscle easier.

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. With doing enough research I figured Albuterol is most definitely favoured over Clen , although I am on a budget and couldn’t work out what the pricing might be yet. I can get my hands on Clen pretty cheap, do you find albuterol to be more expensive or cheaper in comparison to clen.. Also another question, with Clen/albuterol’s anabolic effects doesn’t it cancel out T3’s catabolic effects?..
- December 8, 2020 at 1:02 am
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marcus300
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Originally Posted by Aegis

Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I’ve researched I don’t think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?

I wouldn’t use any IMHO even though it wont effect your HPTA your far better attack your bf with cardio and diet. Using these two things to manipulate your body into burning fat as fuel is a better way that using compounds straight out. Your also better doing it slowly so address your cardio and tighten your diet up then after a few weeks/months you will hit a wall with your gains so then attack your diet and so on, do things slowly and you will be in a better position in keeping the bf off. There is no magic pill its all hard work and being consistent with your cardio and diet