warmouth

Here is my thing. The OP has 17 posts here. And he gets a snide remark that is an OPINION ONLY and doesnt have any evidence or references other than an opinion to back it up. So I have sympathy for new guys looking for legit answers, as I was one not too long ago. And guess what? I got this same crap from "promoted" members, who should be the ones giving sound advice. Even if that advice is only opinion, which most are anyways, should be professional in manner. I had the hardest time adapting to this forum due to this behavior from advanced guys, and it was intimidating and made me feel stupid. In my opinion, the OP asked a legit question, that desearves a legit answer.

And because you thinka person can maintain a natural BF% of 5-7% and be at genetic limit doesnt mean it holds water. That is your opinion as well. And for me now being a grown up and havinga family with bills, I dont have the time or money to eat or train to maintain single digits, on or off cycle. I do in fact work 12-16 hours, sometimes more, and still find a little time to go to the gym 4-5 times a week, and I get good results from what I can do. It is all I can do. I am a small business owner, so I dont have the luxury of getting 12 hours of sleep, 8 meals a day, 2 hours at the gym, etc, etc, etc. that it takes to have professional-like stats. I dont have the time, or the money. After reading the Bears diet, and seeing musitiontinites diet, it is just not in the cards for me at the timeto be able to eat like that. I would love too, but I dont make the money to do it.

To keep from continuing the rant, I am happy whenI am 10-12%, 5’10, and 185-195. Currently, I am at 15% or a bit more. Not happy about it, but I can assure you Cali, I am not lazy. Stressed to the max? Yeah, I am that. Try running a construction business in this economy and having several guys depend on you to provide them wih enough work to provide for their families. Not lazy, just doing what I can do, like 99% of the people here. Its a freaking hobby for us, not a job. If it was a job, hell yes it would be different. But its a hobby and people can start at whatever stats they want to start at. Sometimes we forget we are all in this together and are here to help others and build each other up and encourage one another with our goals. We have to assert leadership better than what I was treated, and what some others are getting treated, as we were chosen to do just that.

Ouch! Thats kinda harsh isnt it? Everyones genetics are different, and most people cant get to single digit BF naturally because they dont have time to train or eatin such a way(They are out working 12-16 hours "being lazy" I guess. Then try to fit in a gym session on top of that, then spend a little time with their families before bed, only to get up 4 hours later to start it all over again. Lazy bastards.)

Lastly, BS on getting to genetic limit before starting. Genetically a person certain person can get to 240, while another 205. But what if the 240just wants to be a muscular 210 and maintain a single digit BF, but due to life, he has to use AAS to help him adark_sideeve this physique?

Right on. It will for sure. Everything gets easier once you get a routine. Good luck!

Looks like you have used a bit of synthol inyour tris based on that Avi. I am curious to hear some responses to this as well. I know nothing on the subject either. Good thread.