ALAN_KINGSTON

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  • ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmikeView
    There is no way proviron can preserve gains. It has no anabolic benefit.

    How is that? It’s androgenic with anabolic properties just like Masteron . Now to your point, the anabolic effect of it is considered too weak for ‘muscle building purposes’ unless of course it is used to combination with other AAS like Test. However, we’re not talking about ‘building’ muscle mass, we’re talking about ‘preserving’ gains.

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by prone2rageView
    Hey OP continue to ask your question, juice authority think all thread belong to him and what he has done, take the infromation you need and want and look past the rest….

    Get off my cock son. You’ve been riding it for a while and my dick is getting tired.

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmikeView
    There are also studies showing halo to not be suppressive. The problem is non-aromatizing androgens like this have a small effect and can usually only be seen longer term. IMO its foolish to think that proviron can "one-up" the body and trick it. same goes for the 10mg dbol bridging theory and low dose halo.

    if you believe proviron helps you by all means use it. but any small effect proviron can have there are better means. estrogen blocking/control: SERMs/AIs. Any hardening/cutting clen and "real" AAS. wood: cialis/viagra/levitra. and yes i know what you might be saying..but cialis etc. just cover up the problem…well proviron does the same thing.

    Again, we’re talking in circles. You keep wanting to go back to Proviron being an aide in PCT recovery. That is not why I take it. I take on-cycle and during PCT for different reasons. I take on-cycle so I can minimize the use of an AI and maximize the effect of Testosterone . Would I get the same result from Nolva or A-dex on-cycle? No, I would get the opposite effect since both SERMs/AIs inhibit gains whereas Proviron is additive to them. Also, since it has no suppressive effect on HPTA I run it during PCT to help with libido function AND to preserve the gains made on-cycle. I don’t believe in the dbol bridge theory either. A bridge is nothing more than a continuation of a cycle.

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmikeView
    Proviron not suppressive to HPTA is weird myth hard to explain. Im sure you can find a study that supports the claim that the authors couldnt find a reduction in FSH, LH, and GNRH but then again you can get a study for anything. does it honestly make sense to you that it wouldnt be suppressive? Its basically DHT, and DHT, although mildly, does have an inhibitory effect.

    I have used proviron several times. I think alot of benefit people get from it is psychological especially during PCT. i found it to be somewhat effective in reducing bloat, but cannot really control estrogens as people claim. can it help wood a bit? yes, remember its basically DHT.

    but all the stuff on sperm quality improvements, some miracle estrogen controller, anabolic benefit, no effect on HPTA is crap. and this SHRonin binding stuff is way overrated as well.

    Much better post than the previous one (btw, the ‘article’ was actually a post by the good Doctor Scally at Meso, not something actually ‘published’). What exactly is he saying in his ‘post’??? Basically that Proviron is useless for infertility so how does that reinforce your point about Provion being ‘useless’? Useless for what? As an infertility drug??? Is that why BBers use it???????

    See link:

    And yes, I can point to studies that conclusively show proviron is not suppressive to HPTA even at high dosages (150mgs/ed). You’ll find extracts of those very studies with references in most Proviron steroid profiles anyway.

    I do however agree that it has little to no use as a ‘fertility drug’ but it that what we’re talking about here? No, it isn’t. Proviron is an androgen that doesn’t convert to estrogen and actually reduces circulating estrogen (somewhat) in body. Clomid, HCG and HMG are much better drugs to increase sperm count and mobility during PCT but is that why most users take Proviron? Again, no it isn’t.

    The binding affinity to the SHRonin is not over-rated imo, which does in fact enhance the anabolic effect of testosterone (also clinically proven). I use Proviron during PCT as a libido enhancer (morning wood), not to kickstart the HPTA. There are other more effective drugs for that, some of which I already mentioned, not least of which is Nolva, which, in my view, is much better than Clomid for restoring HPTA function without the sides common to Clomid (acne and the like).

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolskaView
    +1. I am also using proviron and find it to be beneficial

    Well, what can you say? I guess I should flush my Proviron down the toilet and demand a refund from the source that provided it based on the good Dr. Michael Scally’s article that I can’t seem to find anywhere on Meso. Hmmm.

    "Proviron is worthless" – classic statement.

    No doubt Masteron is the stronger compound BUT unlike Proviron Masteron is suppressive to HPTA (not something ideal to run with PCT).

    Here’s my experience…when I run Proviron around 75mgs/ed I don’t seem to get the same level of estrogen related sides as I do without it. Furthermore, with Proviron added to my cycle I don’t need to run an AI either, kill off all the estrogen in my body and my libido with it. No, with Proviron I can get away with a low dose of Nolva to block the estrogen from binding to ER and not need to kill my libido with an AI. In fact, my libido is enhanced with Proviron.

    Estrogen or lack thereof has a greater effect on killing one’s libido than being shutdown. Estrogen plays a big role in libido. If your estrogen is too low then you will have no libido. When people take letro it kills their libido because it reduces estrogen levels by 99%.

    Here’s an article discuussing how estrogen actually boosts libido and energy in men:

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmikeView
    only difference is masteron works and proviron is worthless. look up dr. michael scally’s article on proviron. haha

    That would certainly be an interesting read and completely contrary to my own personal experience. I’d love to see what the good Dr. has to say about it.

    Proviron is one of the most under-rated steroids out there, imo. It helps prevent estrogen build up given its affinitty for the aromatase enzyme (it downgrades the actual estrogen receptor). It gives me morning wood, muscle hardness and has been clinically proven to not be suppressive to HPTA. It also dries out my skin keeping acne at bay.

    Link please.

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcmoranView
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    Can you increase any muscle size from Masteron?

    Not really a mass builder but it could be used to complement a mass building cycle in combination w/Test. Is doesn’t convert into estrogen but it is highly androgenic . Most DHT compounds aren’t ideal for packing on size. Masteron however binds strongly to the SHRonin, similar to Proviron , which enhances the action of testosterone . Theory has it that when used in combination with test, Masteron will bind mostly to SHRonin, which frees up the test to yield greater anabolic effects = enhanced gains.

    ALAN_KINGSTON
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcmoranView
    Which one would you guys stack with Test for a shredded look cycle? And Dosage…

    Both for different reasons.

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