OldBoy

Originally Posted by Bolo

I never hear guys talking about dbol raising hematocrit and hemoglobin which is ironic cause that’s the only drug that’s raised my rbc’s so high that I was getting nose bleeds every time I leaned over.

interesting side note . EQ is really nothing more then injectable Dbol (they just un-mehtylated Dbol and removed the 17alka .. but other then that its chemically the same drug). of course that shows how much a drug can change its nature, one being made for oral consumption and one made for injection only (big difference between the two now)

as gallow said , its "operator error" , if you can’t make gains with Dbol. you piss away all you gains cause your diet and training were not on point and you didn’t run the drug long enough..

the water retention and volumization that come with Dbol is a good thing, not a "negative" side effect.. you need that water retention and volumization to support growth , but the growth process takes time and proper nutrition.
a 4 week blast of Dbol, water retention comes, and you piss it all away and of course you’ll think Dbol is worthless..

but you need to hold onto that water retention for months on end and grow into it. thats how Dbol works.

this whole Dbol cycle for only 4 weeks thing to avoid liver toxicity is utter bullshit ..
I’ve ran Dbol for 12 months straight.
guys back in the day like I mentioned got good results and keepable gains from Dbol , but they commited to it and ran it for months on end…
this pussy bullshit 4 week dbol cycles is why you lose your gains.
give the proper nutrition so the Dbol has the co factors, give proper training so the stimulus there, and allow the water retention so reach a state of homeostasis over time and you will find that Dbol does plenty of good shit and plenty of keepable gains

Originally Posted by Oman

Good to know bro ..learn a lot from you ..

And which dosage and which week is commonly used on T3 plus Clem stack in cutting cycles

its really dependent on the diet .

but normally I start off a diet (male or female) with a ‘replacement’ dosage of T3.. which is about 25mcg. the average person makes around this much T3 naturally . BUT when your in a natural state, that number can fluctuate based on your diet and your training. when you start dieting your metabolism will likely slow down,, then you have to ‘re feed’ to try to get it to speed back up.
the beauty of just using a replacement dosage of just 25mcg to start your diet is that now the metabolism is a ‘fixed variable’ , now your in control and not prone to fluctuations.
so you can up cardio and lower calories a bit and not be afraid of stalling your metabolism, because of the T3.

then when you get deeper into the diet, depending on progress, we may bump it up to like 37.5mcg per week. this is to get a more enhanced effect out of it and start revving the metabolism at higher pace. then can move up to 50mcg from there.
I don’t go higher then that

also , keep in mind, using Clen WITHOUT T3 will suppress your natural T3 production .. thats why I like to use T3 and Clen together.
what happens is Clen raises body temp. then your body does not know its happening from the Clen itself and thinks its a metabolic issue so it will slow down thyroid production and the metabolism to help regulate body temp from getting elevated.

so clen by itself is not near as effective as combining T3 and clen together

if your cutting and on a low carb diet , T3 is going to be best. if your on a high carb diet, utilizing insulin , or just trying to promote nutrient uptake and metabolic support then T4 works fine.

if your running HGH and/or Tren and your thyroid is suppressed, T4 works just fine (as long as your liver is healthy)

if your starting a new diet and you want your metabolism at a ‘fixed’ rate while dialing in the diet and maBambs, T3 is the most optimal (as T3 is actual active thyroid hormone and requires zero conversion).
I often time have clients run T3 at a replacement dosage when starting a new diet just to take the metabolism factor out of the equation to get the diet optimized first and foremost.

if your cutting, T3 works best. start with a lower dosage , 12.5-25mcg, and ramp up to 50mcg. when you come off taper back down.
if you just want some metabolic support, then T4 at 75-150mcg works.

don’t take T3 with caffeine. its effects are limited when combined with caffeine.
split your T3 dosage up and take it a couple times per day with a meal
if your heart rate and body temperature go way up while on thyroid meds then your taking too high a dosage or too much at once.
when you come off of T3/T4 try supplementation with natty thyroid support like Iodine

those are just a few thoughts I have on the subject

Also, keep in mind that an AI will not do shit for estrogen related issues that come from Deca (or Tren ). the reason is that estrogen issues that arise from a nandrolone happen via the progestin receptor, not via aromatization (AI’s only blunt aromatization).

your WAY better off in this situation to be running something like Masteron (which blunts estrogen and progestin receptors , especially in breast tissue).
MASTeron .. the word MAST means "breast" . it was a drug that was invented to blunt progestin and estrogen receptors in breast tissues.
thats your best bet when running 19 nors . . imo , ditch the crappy AI’s all together.
Nolva and Masteron are fine.

also , 90% of AAS don’t aromatize into estrogen in the first place. so you could simply just run all those AAS and not have to worry about estrogen sides to begin with (having said that, estrogen is a beneficial muscle building IGF promoting hormone, so its always good to have in your cycles if your trying to put on size)

I use EQ for off cycle cruise phases. if I’m off cycle I’ll run like 300mg of EQ as my "trt"

I use EQ often times at the start of a cycle if I’m starting a volumization phase. I’ll stack it with ‘wet’ bulking compounds. running it high dosage, 1000mg, for about 4 weeks is all (the idea that you have to run eq long term like 12+ weeks is utter BS)..

or again, I’ll use EQ to replace testosterone all together (yes you can run no test cycles no prob)

keep in mind that EQ is mainly a pure anabolic , not an androgen. so your not going to "feel it" per se like you can other AAS. its just working in the background

note- and for the guys that don’t know this .. EQ is simply non methylated injectable Dbol . on paper structurally they are the same exact compound. but in practical use, they are way different (mainly because how the liver deals with dbol.. turns it into a whole new drug pretty much)

increasing RBC and Hematocrit is great for endurance athletes. This is why you’ll see endurance athletes train at high elevation (increases RBC), this is why you’ll see athletes sleep 8 hours at night in a hyperbaric chamber (increases RBC), why you’ll see some athletes train in full body compression outfits (increases RBC).. and as for drugs like EPO, only reason to take it is increases RBC.

now with steroids can also as we all know increases RBC.

now why is it that some TrueMaxders end up getting lethargic and tired and cardio goes to shit when we run AAS and we get increases in RBC?
because we generally run way different dosages and types of AAS protocols then athletes use. when our RBC is going up, our body weight has likely went up 20 pounds on cycle as well , and we do things that are ‘retentive’ in nature. meaning we are trying to hold a ton of ‘volume’ , more fluid, more total amount of blood (get full and vascular), more nutrient retention in the muscle cells, etc etc..
its this extra ‘volume’ that we put on to make us look big and full that causes the lethargy and the tired feeling . NOT the increase of RBC.

now if we were an endurance athlete and ran an AAS cycle like they would run . say 200mg EQ per week, 20mg Tbol per day. and did 5 hours of cardio like they do and train all the time, we would not be putting on any weight and all this extra ‘volume’ of fluid and nutrient retention and our cardio capacity would actually go up as our RBC goes up.