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  • Muse
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurtiView
    If it were me, other than wishing I could go back and stop myself from my first cycle when I was 22 or 23…

    Id run test-e 12 weeks (no longer). Id drop the dbol , to me dbol will just make you "feel" like your on the aas quicker but its not worth the sides and heavy tax on your liver. The Test will kick in soon enough with a lil patience.

    Run, adex .5 EOD or .25 ED if your worried about bloat/estro sides while ON.

    Kill the adex the day before you start PCT. PCT needs to be Clomi+Nolva, Prob: 100/100/50/50 clomi and 40/40/20/20 nolva. Please keep reading, you should have know these things already, we only say that for your own safety Bro.

    I know and I really really appreciate it thankyou.
    Right i’ll take advice and scrap the dbol, advice comes with experience so I will not be ignorant to your words of wisdom!

    Could you please write it up for me to see if my underdstanding if correct in terms of week 1-12 and what to be taking, then the PCT plan.

    thanks.

    Muse
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    Never ran EQ, I’m trying to decide whether it’ll be worth it (I’ve heard bad reviews, and any I’ve heard require 16+ week cycle. So do a 750mg test only cycle with a 4 week Dbol kicker at around 30mgs?

    Is there any other feasible compounds to stack?

    Muse
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3View
    I like your approach – if your gonna add a compound(consider a kicker at the beginning or look into pulsing orals – what oral would you take if you did) – Eq – that’s one ive not run(itll raise your hematocrit levels quickly as its for horses – a favorite amongst cyclists for more RBCs = more O2) some like it – itll also increase your appetite if bulking… I’ve personally never ran it – and from the statements I’ve read from the Vets here I’ll never run it – they all say it’s a waste of space in your barrel/syringe lol

    NPP is Nandrolone – just a short ester(Phenyl Propionate) you can pin daily or EOD is just as good! It clears in 3-4 days after last inj(phenyl prop – pct would start at most 4 days after last oin – it’s really splitting hairs if you run test prop w/it pct starts 3 days after – you don’t necessarily need to run your test a wk longer but I did and just start your pct 3 days after last pin…

    Thanks for your advice! I’m sitting on the fence a bit, I don’t want to stack deca due to its suppressive nature and long recovery, I like EQ because it’s weekly pins to coincide with my Test E, I like NPP because it has deca properties without the negatives, but I don’t want to do NPP because it’s EOD pins… Haha, help

    As for ovals I do have some DBol left, but can easily get another if it will work better with my new cycle.

    Again, thanks for all the advice.

    Muse
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurtiView
    Muse – I know its hard to hear when your already set to cycle… Id defiantly agree your young to cycle, you still have growth to be done. On the other hand would DEFF not run Deca, a Test only cycle would be more than fine. Arimidex or Aromasin are both great to keep sides down while On.

    Thanks for sharing your personal experience with me in aid to stop me making the mistakes you may well have made.
    On the otherhand I know I’m going to go ahead with my second cycle so want to make sure it’s tweaked best as can be.

    So Test for 12 weeks @500mg/week (1 jab per week or split?) E3D
    Dump the dbol ? (whats the reason, out of curiosity)
    Whats would be most appropriate to use? armidex or nolva?

    PCT: clomid and nolva?

    Muse
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    So run week 2 to 14 at 200iu twice weekly? I’m worried I’m already shut down as they’ve shrunk already. Is this still ok? 200iu high enough bi weekly?

    Thanks

    Muse
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    Wow, awesome responses! I agree that’s a good idea not to jump too high too soon when things are working. I think it’s a throw up between a test e only cycle at 750mgs/week same as my previous but obviously an extra 250mgs.

    On the flip side I might go test e/EQ is eq any good? Worth it?
    As for NPP it looks like the better deca alternative, but is it shoe EOD or bi weekly?

    Thanks!

    Muse
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    Thanks, few other questions:
    1) I literally only have 5000iu worth. Could I run weeks 2-14(200iu twice a week?)

    2) Or alternatively from weeks 4-14 @ 500iu a week (250iu twice a week).

    3) Once you’re shut down, like I probably already am, how long does HCG take to kick start you? Or is it only worthwhile taking if you begin it early before shutting down testosterone production?

    Muse
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilGunView
    the test at 500mg/week is good. dbol at 20mg is low imo, go 30mg+ and no real need for proviron. just use a standard AI.

    Thanks for helping, I appreciate it.
    So, other aromatase inhibitors being, Arimidex or Aromasin ?

    So would 30mg dbol be ok, or would you recom 40mg?

    As for the test, is it ok alone at 500mg/week? or would you say to stack with deca ?

    What gains could I expect on a lean diet, and good exercise plan?

    Muse
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    Fair enough point stpete, but It’s what I want to do..
    I’d appreciate advice from anyone who can help tweak my cycle plan. I’m not just young and jumping into something I don’t understand, I do my research and make my choices wisely.
    Thanks.
    Muse
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    Thanks for the replies! So if I started taking HCG at beginning if week 3 would I resume from bing shut down? Or do. Need to bring them back to life before dosing hcg?

    Also when wold I stop taking hcg? I planned to stop test after 12 weeks and pct on week 14 to begin for 4 weeks?

    Thnks.

    Muse
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    Yeh I’ll have to agree it works!

    I ran it as follows:
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    (14 days) – then need break or to refresh receptors using Diphenhydramine which is what clenses the beta 2 receptors. This is found in several antihistamine and sleep aid medications sold OTC. Always take 3-5g Taurine per day, and 300mg potassium.

    GL

    Results were good! Diet in tune, I still haven’t tried T3 though.

    Muse
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    Age: 21
    Weight: 160lbs (been cutting ready for a lean bulk cycle)
    Height: 5"7
    BF: 11%
    Years training: on/off for 5 years
    Cycle History: Done an andropen 250 cycle last year, followed by PCT

    Please note I have been cutting BF% over last few months, lifting 3-4 times per week
    Diet is a cutting diet, when I begin lean bulk cycle i’ll upgrade to the sufficient caloric intake with protein requirements etc.

    Cheers.

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