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Originally Posted by The Bear 79

And girls are generally about 10 years smarter than guys…………..

Yeah I actually agree with that I get along really well with guys who are in their mid thirties

Originally Posted by twitz

You’re right, there are so many variables it really does depend on the person and their goals. Some women have the belief that lifting heavy will make them huge but are willing to take aas to ‘tone’. Some take anavar and don’t follow a proper training program, they just do light circuit training and cardio hoping for a little fat loss. IMO there is no point in taking aas for this goal, work on your diet and routine.

Then you have woman who want to compete, gain lbm, increase strength etc. Look at the pics above (props to you Valkyrie, you look incredible! ), it is obvious that this poster weight trains and follows a proper diet. No amount of ass is going to make a gal look like that… that is hard work and dedication! I don’t think she was suggesting that ladies jump into taking 20mg ED as a starting point, I think the suggestion was to work your way up to at least that dosage.

Another thing to consider is that anavar seems to be a starting steroid for women. Some women are happy with their results and some jump to other steroids (primo, winny… Electra, I think you are considering masteron ?). I think female needs to look at their goals, factor in that they may want to cycle again, and then consider sides. If you are not comfortable with the thought of that than maybe aas isn’t for you.

I’m happy that we have a place to talk freely about this, and that there are other females here to offer their experience

Exactly everyone has different goals. I am competing in a few months in bikini even though I need muscle def I don’t need to be overly developed, the dosage I’m on is doing exactly what I have in mind. As for mast is something I’m considering as contest prep for a harder look before the show. I just don’t think any two people are the same. Like I said there’s way to many variables. I would start low and work your way up to your tolerance level as for me, I’m content where I am.

So, i figured it was about time to make a post about women’s PCT options to help out women when coming off a cycle and to help men help women since we are VERY different!!!

Post Cycle Therapy i am sure you have heard time and time again… For men, this usually includes an ancillary to re-stimulate natural test production etc. With women, PCT is VERY VERY different.
I know it has been the general assumption that women do not need PCT, however, it has come to my attention (and from years of experience) that we actually DO in fact need PCT…

Post Cycle Therapy for women obviously does NOT include a test stimulant, but rather other factors…

Tapers: Everyone wants to know about tapering… Well, that really depends on the aas you are using… The milder the aas, the less the taper. For example, anavar does not call for a taper, however many women have seen less side effects post cycle with a little post cycle taper. This may be 1 week after you complete your cycle where you taper down. Considering the average dosage is 10mgs, a taper would be: (5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5)

In my own personal experience with anavar, a taper for me really isn’t necessary… so just stopping is fine. HOWEVER, i do apply Post Cycle Therapy!

I feel PCT should be considered due to these reasons:
Depression: MANY women report depression post cycle. I personally got it really really badly last nov, so now the last week of my cycle, i start cycling in 5HTP. You can also use St. Johns wart or valerian root etc…
Estrogen Rebound: Granted anavar is a mild androgenic , it is still an androgen. Some women experience a slight estrogen rebound. I personally have ALSO experienced this…
One of the ways i counteract it is to take "Twinlabs Male Fuel". This actually aids allowing my test levels to lower but not drop, thus preventing an estrogen rebound. When a hormone drops suddenly another one always tends to increase to counteract, even though it may not be beneficial to us…
Another way is to use a very very mild dosage of an estrogen suppressor (ie. nolvadex ) to allow the estrogen to slowly level out as the test levels fall post cycle. (As our test levels begin to return to normal and decrease, estrogen will increase post cycle, due to the fact that an aas does suppress estrogen levels a bit, so a suppressor will control the speed at which it increases- thus preventing a possible estrogen rebound!)
Appetite: Most AAS tend to increase your appetite. This has a bit to do with an accelerated metabolism (increased muscle and protein synthesis), nevertheless, aas can increase appetite. With that said, I think a strict diet should follow your cycle.
My reasoning for this is that fact that since you have an increased appetite from using an aas, now that that is over, you will continue to experience an increased appetite, but with no aas anymore. Basically saying that now that you are OFF, you will not be using all the calories/fuel as efficiently as when you were ON. So if you splurge like crazy, you WILL notice a rebound in weight and or fat. Get it
I HIGHLY recommend a clean diet for about 2 weeks POST cycle!!

Those are the 3 main factors i can think of that may cause havoc with a woman’s mental and physical well being post cycle… They are ALL factors i have personally dealt with, struggled with and learned to control!

As a female who is using aas, PLEASE know ALL the facts!!! Be over-prepared! There is nothing worse then a women who loves her results from weeks of suffering, training, dieting, etc… only to waste all her hard work and experience negative side effects post cycle… Estrogen rebound is a bitch. Weight/fat rebound is a bitch. Depression, we won’t even go there lol…

So please ladies… LISTEN to your body. Get to really know what works for YOUR body! You may never need post cycle therapy, but you may… so good"

That’s the var log I’ve been working on… I’m going to be doing pct soon. Idk if this is something close to what you’re looking for.