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Originally Posted by WhoAreYou
i spent about 4 years with very bad sleep i cant remember one night when i slept that deep knockout kind of sleep, i was working under high stress, i worked out in the gym really hard all the time ( i puked 8 times and fainted 3 times during training i shit u not), i drank 8-10 espresso shots per day too.
now after 2 years off from ALL these things, i now can sleep fairly well for 8-10 hours, i was starting a new program because i felt good and recovered ( a metabolic conditioning high intensity circuit of bodyweight and light weights exercises) but when i started to pick up the intensity the symptoms return for 3-4 days i cant sleep, mood low etc… after i take 3-4 days off they go away and i return to normal.
Originally Posted by TraoreI agree with this.
Originally Posted by DomusYes but he was having this problem when he was in shape.
Originally Posted by songdogactually no bro, when i first started working out i never had these symptoms in my life, they started when i began training with the " no pain no gain" mentality, i didn’t know any better…
I used to workout with calisthenics when i was 18 yo doing 500 pushups per day and running 3-4 miles i never had these problems, they began when i increased my workout intensity in the weight room for a very long time coupled with an extremely stressful job environment + lots and lots of espresso not to mention my previous use of steroids and stimulants such as ephedra.
Originally Posted by Domusthanks for the support ! i hope so…
Originally Posted by songdogThere is a difference between normal fatigue a person would have when they haven’t trained in a long time compared to his symptoms…None of his symptoms I have EVER heard of from someone who hasn’t trained in a long time….ESPECIALLY when these symptoms last FOR DAYS ON END….Obviously, that is NOT normal which way you cut it…
He also stated he doesn’t have any medical conditions…Yet, severe depression IS a medical condition and can have more physical effects then just on his brain…
Insomnia definitely isn’t a normal side effect…If someone over trains they usually sleep much much easier….Stomach bloating? Depression?
Just trying to be realistic here…I definitely believe this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his training…
Also, the main factors for insomnia is Stress, Depression, Anxiety, and medications…So maybe start here and then he can find his answer…
Originally Posted by SilverTestSecondly, you don’t have to train like a maniac for results…P90X is pointless same with all those other programs…All you need is a correct weight training plan, deit plan, and cardio….
First off, There is no need to kill yourself in the gym that hard…It’s NOT going to help you get results….Secondly, check your diet and medications you use…..
And sweet lord, stop all the caffeine, espresso and stimulants and ephedra….That’s probably half your problem right there, fu*k….
Go all natural for awhile, No coffee, no caffeine, no STIMULANTS including ephedra….Any other medications you don’t need, STOP taking them (Obviously, stay on the antidepressants if you your doc still recommends)…But anything else don’t use and STOP OVER TRAINING…
Train like a normal human being and eat a right diet
Originally Posted by TraoreI agree, although I do think it is possible for someone to overtrain so utterly excessively that they would experience symptoms of overtraining that are so severe that they would be destructive to the quality of life.
The fact that the OP mentioned he would train so hard that he would puke and faint many times in the gym (keywords: many times) is a strong indication that that was probably not the ONLY indicator of overtraining he was engaging in at the time. Sounds to me like he was really going overboard to the extreme. I’ve puked in the gym before, but I can remember all of about 3 or 4 times. I’ve never fainted but i’ve come pretty close (seeing colors and feeling very light headed) but these were once again only a handful of moments that I can remember. The OP sounds like this was a regular basis effect of his unprecedented overtraining behavior.
It is also possible this individual may be more sensitive to the risks of overtraining than most other individuals, either perhaps because of his genetic and individual predisposition, or because he may have some underlying health condition that would worsen the condition of overtraining.
The fact is, overtraining is a highly ignored and overlooked factor of weight training. Most of the time people don’t even notice or know they’re over training. Other times it can suddenly hit you like a brick wall when you notice one day something is wrong with your nervous system, you are lethargic all the time no matter how much sleep you get, weights feel heavier and heavier in the gym, sexual function is totally shot, you’ve got immense brain fog and can’t think, you fall into a depression, etc. It happens all the time to people who don’t know what they’re doing in the gym.
Fact of the matter is that most people train hard enough in the gym. Their problem is they do too much volume and train too frequently – so much so that the amount of damage occurring to the muscles is occuring at a far greater rate than the body can repair it (let alone grow new muscle on top of it). Combine that with shitty rest and poor nutritional habits, and you’re going to fail at your physique aspirations and destroy your body while you’re at it. The fact of the matter is that the body requires far less volume and frequency than most of us have been led to believe in the past.
Oh, and lets not forget damage to the CNS (Central Nervous System). NOBODY EVER CONSIDERS THIS. Everyone always thinks muscles, muscles, muscles! Nobody thinks "what about the amount of stress i’m placing on my nervous system? What about the massive amount of neurotoxicity i’m creating with these immense and painful lifts and sets?". Do you realize how heavily your neurons are firing and releasing LIMITED stores of neurotransmitters when you’re engaging in those very intense and painful sets? The amount of strain you’re placing on your nerve cells? And the immense amount of neurotransmitter activity in the synapses?The nervous system DOES NOT heal anywhere near as quickly or as efficiently as muscle tissue does. This is why you end up with symptoms like headaches, depression, impaired sexual function, brain fog, etc. when overtraining really begins to take a toll.
Working out and TrueMaxding is not just about the muscles. It’s also about the nervous system, and NOBODY ever thinks of their CNS recovery. It’s allllways about the muscles…
Originally Posted by death staryes bro u are right about that, actually at first it all started as ongoing soreness and fatigue i ignored the problem and still trained like a wacko, took steroids sometimes high doses sometimes i would not do complete pct’s i took stimulants very heavily it was a F mess man.
but ya, i really fainted many times in the gym from pushing myself too hard, i once fainted home in my bedroom from pushing myself doing calisthenics like 700 pushups or so in 40 minutes, i just didn’t know any better i thought more is better u know the type of mentality when u first start exercising, i had no one to guide me, i didn’t read or anything i just trained so hard excessively.
Originally Posted by Traoreim doing that right now bro since i took my fitness trainer certification and knew how to actually train and eat but thanks for the heads up but from about 2-3 years and more i didn’t know anything, i would take the hardest workouts and just do them just for the shit sake that they are hard and challenging even though i was a beginner. I remember most times i would take a workout, when i read that ITS NOT FOR BEGINNERS…and i was a beginner, i would actually go and do it. i know thats very stupid, that was just messed up.
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