Arimidex, Aromasin and Proviron

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- October 30, 2020 at 7:29 am
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Dj hard
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I just updated my journey through TRT. A quick recap, I’m now 74 years old, 105 kgs and 1.95m tall. I’ve been on self-inflicted TRT seeing that no-one wanted to treat me, since October/November 2013.

I’m on 200mg weekly of a mix of Test Cyp and Test Enan, I pin 100 mg every Sun and 100 mg every Wed.

I was advised to take an AI – Arimidex . Since I started to take it my libido has been going up and down like a bloody yoyo. I tried every day, once weekly, EOD fortnightly, but there seems to be no correlation between what I take and libido.

For the last 6 weeks my libido has hit rock bottom and started digging! I got new bloodwork last week. My estradiol is close to zero, my SHBG is just a tiny bit over the high limit and my LH is way down as well.

From talking to others, it seems that my body doesn’t do much aromatization with the doses I’m taking, so I have been advised : –

1. Not to take any AI
2. To take (an unspecified dose) Aromasin
3. To take Proviron (unspecified dose).

I can bench 145 kgs. I still have more fat on my lower belly than I would like. I eat a high protein (2gm/kg bodyweight) and no cigs, booze or junk food. I go to the gy 4x weekly and I train with my wife and another guy of 47 and we push each other to the limit.

I have TWO questions :-

1. Which of the three options that I mention above seem appropriate. I personally tend to the Proviron but have no idea how much to take. Some suggestions would be nice.

2. I want to go on a short blast, I’m thinking along the lines of Deca for 10 to 12 weeks. Not crazy doses. Just around 150 to 200 mg weekly split over two doses. I just want the weather to cool off a bit. If I do this, should I take more Proviron or shoul I take Aromasin or should I take both. I really DON’T want to go back to Arimidex.

Obviously, I don’t plan to do Deca until I get my libido stabilized and probably more bloodwork.

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- November 16, 2020 at 2:35 am
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VUBlack
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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Although it is possible for amino acids to be converted to glycogen, it is a slow and complicated process with some nasty waste products, so its only used on a demand driven situation (starvation). The first thing to be used for energy (ATP) are carbs (very easy process), then fats, and only in last resort the body will use protein. Remember amino acids are nitrogen based, removing these nitrogen atoms will produce amonia which is quite nasty, and the liver will need to turn it into urea, etc etc

aha yea, but if body was in ketosis (following ketogenic diet), this ^ I believe goes little different way?
- November 16, 2020 at 3:29 am
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Mr.BB
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Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

aha yea, but if body was in ketosis (following ketogenic diet), this ^ I believe goes little different way?

The term ketosis comes from the keto bodies, which are produced in the fat conversion to glucose. It has nothing to do with protein conversion to energy.
- November 16, 2020 at 4:41 am
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VUBlack
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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

The term ketosis comes from the keto bodies, which are produced in the fat conversion to glucose. It has nothing to do with protein conversion to energy.

yes, but excess protein turned in to fat then later in to glucose, I still dont know enough, however, there are both sides of every equation, everything can be counteracted with something
- November 16, 2020 at 6:04 am
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Mr.BB
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Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

yes, but excess protein turned in to fat then later in to glucose, I still dont know enough, however, there are both sides of every equation, everything can be counteracted with something

It is very unlikely for protein to turn into fat. Like I said before gluconeogenesis from aminoacids is a slow and demand driven process, so if you are in starvation it is very unlikely for glucose to convert to fat.
- November 16, 2020 at 7:36 am
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Dj hard
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Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I would lower your protein intake at your age, carbs are the best for sex

Also consider supplementing 250mcg of sublingual melatonin per night, and 30mg of zinc. Lower neurotransmitter activity can lead to difficulty in orgasms in which these supplements might help (plus the B6).

I take 3 mg Melatonin every night, helps my sleep. I’ll try adding the zinc. I do have zinc tabs, I have mild BPH. When my e2 was up around 117, it was very difficult to urinate and I would have to go several times just to empty my bladder. Since I took the Arimidex , it has improved quite a bit. My sleep is also improving, but I’m still not right.

About 40% of my diet is carbs in the form of wholewheat bread, oats, sweet potato, broccoli etc, I eat a lot of peanut butter. I dropped my Testosterone to 100 mg per week. I have been lowering my calorie intake for about 6 weeks now. I had gained almost 3 cm around my waist. I’ve been eating around 300 cals per day less than my calculated amount. The 3 cm have gone!

Everything is more difficult when you reach 74!
- November 16, 2020 at 8:38 am
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VUBlack
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I was wondering how did you get on, Baldur? Did it lowered your prolactin for your and fixed anything for you? Got any bloods done recently since dosing vitex? Hope youre well
- November 16, 2020 at 10:09 am
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Dj hard
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Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

I was wondering how did you get on, Baldur? Did it lowered your prolactin for your and fixed anything for you? Got any bloods done recently since dosing Vitex? Hope youre well

Yes, sorry for not updating. I went a bit overboard with the Arimidex , but I got it down – too far down. I started with 1 Arimidex EOD for a week. I dropped Testosterone to 100 mg per week.

Then I was taking

10,000 IU Vitamin D3 daily
1,000 IU Vitamin B6
1,000 IU Vitamin E
Multivit and Multi-Mineral and the Vitex (4 per night)

I had new bloods and my Prolactin was OK, my DHT was OK, my SHRonin was a bit high, my estradiol was almost zero.

I started my 200 mg weekly testosterone once I got the bloods back and I added 50 mg Deca every week. It’s been 3 weeks now. My libido is going up and I’m feeling better. Erections are getting OK, but still a bit soft. Once I get more "in tune", I’m dropping the Deca and starting with the Aromasin .

From what I have read, 10 mg Aromasin EOD should be OK for my low T dosage, but once I feel good, I’ll get more bloodwork done until I get the right H10.

Gym work is getting back to normal. Weights aren’t feeling as heavy as they did. We do Flat Bench Mon, Incline Wed and Decline Fri. We do a warm-up set and then 4 sets of 3 reps followed by a 5th set of as many as possible. When we started this routine (and we do the same for Curls, and ALL barbell work) we started at 80% of our 1RM and then we add 2.5 kg every week.

When I was feeling bad my Bench dropped by almost 20 kgs, but I’m doing my 2.5kg per week extra so far and still managing to finish with 6 to 8 reps for the last set.

My wife never ceases to amaze me. Her legs are incredible. She did 480kgs (that’s 1058lbs)
and managed 5 reps on the incline leg press madark_sidene this morning and she’s 56. The other guy that trains with us is 42 and he lost it after 440 kgs. She doesn’t have the same kinda hormone problems we guys get and she takes NOTHING. She is contemplating trying some Anavar . I can’t see why, she can outlift just about every guy in the gym already on just about every exercise. Can you imagine a 5’4" woman 159lbs doing cable Bambssovers with 20 kg on each side? She does 10 reps without breaking a sweat.

Sometimes I feel very inferior, but then, I’ll soon be 75 so I guess it’s not that bad and I’m very proud of her.

I’ll try to remember to update more often.
- November 16, 2020 at 11:23 am
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VUBlack
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Good to hear good news my man! Im glad and somewhat not surprised that the VITEX was doing its work lowering prolactin for you, as I can only assume I felt better while on it than vs. when I was off of it, although I was giving alot thought it may have been a placebo and what not but yet my recent bloods of few weeks ago indicated my prolactin being over the top range limit and I was just almost 2 months off of the VITEX. I did felt different without VITEX but it wasnt neceserily bad different, and well, I’ve been giving a great flood of all other sound nutrients and vitamins to my system for the last half year thinking I may be deficient in some of not most of whatever there could have been to cripple the endocrine system, I just wasnt training as hard or frequent in the past half year and yet my Testosterone markers came in a little lower than when it was last checked in 2015 July despite my efforts to flourish my body with all the good and holy goods, so now I will be giving bloods repeatedly in my own clinic tomorrow morning and will try to chase up the reason why am I so on the borderline with most of my blood markers, and even my E2 estradiol was under the limit-low, ~25% lower than it should be… I guess makes sense… Low total test, low free test, hence not much test to spare to convert to Estrogen… well I dont know… maybe my thyroid is not up to par, so doc will tell some weeks later after bloods tomorrow.

Your journey at your age is great example of well going progress you have so far, I just try not to compare myself being almost 50years younger yet with similar issues I got to get myself fixed to reach your age with the smile too

I was thinking if high prolactin I had was not caused by using VITEX before, where it was lowered to some extent or maybe severely, and when I have discontinued VITEX my body had rebound to whatever it could and just went out of control and went little over the limit but I could not tell, I havent followed all this with all scientific studies nor I have time and efforts to spare to find this out, so I guess its something else is wrong with me, but here were about you, and Im glad youre well and ok!

Well, some people have not only good, but strong genetics that doesnt wear out as quick I guess and so is the example of your wife I got to say, some great numbers and especial all natural, its just real good to know such things, I being in your place having person such as her besides, would encourage her not to do any compound being in such great physical shape, it may give little extra for the short run but may have some nasty consequences that will change alot things for her in the long run… having something great makes us want to have even greater, without realizing how fragile the walking line is, but that’s just me and that is just an advice and its worth only exactly how much it cost, so, im just saying, my 02cent’s

Hope You’ll be well, and keep on doing what brings good results and good benefit to you, without falling off the path of course
- November 16, 2020 at 12:36 pm
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Dj hard
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So far, everything is still good. I’ve dropped back a bit, not pushing myself as hard as I was doing. Still going 3 x weekly to the gym, but before I was REALLY pushing myself almost to injury. I’m taking a two week break over Easter and then back to normal. My weakest point is still my legs. I had a torn meniscus in my left knee. It seems to be much better, but I’m shit scared to push too hard on squats and Leg Press. I’m only pushing my squats by 2.5 kgs per week.

Years ago I could do reps at 200 kgs. Now I’m only just over 100 kgs.

Stats to date on major exercises are :

Flat Bench Press 120 kgs (265 lbs)
Barbell Curl 50 kgs (110 lbs)
Barbell Preacher Curls 45 kgs (99 lbs)
Squats (miserable) 105 kgs (232 lbs)
Deadlift (miserable) 170 kgs (375 lbs)
Seated Military Press 97.5 kgs (215 lbs)

these are all 3 reps only. I work in 6 sets of either 3 or 5 reps, I was increasing the weight by 2.5 kgs every week, but since Christamas, it’s been 2.5 kgs every 2 to 3 weeks.

Erections are good, libido is good, but I still battle to keep the Aromasin at the right amount. The symptoms between too much estradiol and too little are so close. No-one seems to have come up with just ONE definitive way to differentiate between too much and too little. All I know is that sometimes, I find it very difficult to reach a climax (not that the ladies complain too much), but it’s still not nice. Then it will suddenly fix itself and I can’t correlate it with the amount of Aromasin I’m taking.
- November 16, 2020 at 1:30 pm
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VUBlack
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good to hear youre better, one thing that concerns me if youre still taking vitex since then or have you discontinued it, and have you checked your prolactin while taking vitex? Thanks
- November 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm
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Dj hard
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Still on the VITEX, last bloods showed everything OK.
- November 16, 2020 at 4:03 pm
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VUBlack
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I havent been checking my prolactin lately during bloods, but I did check my bloods few months before and I have decided to come off of the vitex weeks before the tests and my prolactin shooted up beyond the upper range limit, so since month ago Im back on it but it kinda makes me feel more emotional I have noticed, and while not on it I would be more calm and more in a logical-thinking and being state, just something I noticed. I take 4 pills in the morning.
- November 16, 2020 at 5:17 pm
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Dj hard
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I got new blood results this morning. Apart from FSH and LH being WAY down (my fault, I haven’t taken any HCG for almost 3 months, everything else was fine. My estradiol is 100%, so is prolactin and everything else (still awaiting results from DHT). I keep taking the VITEX I’m sure that it helps

I’m not complaining, I’m still as randy as a rabbit, but it’s hard to reach orgasm (not that the ladies complain!). I’m going back on the HCG again..

My IGF-1 is still going up, it’s almost 300 now and I’m still only taking 1iu daily.

I’m bendark_sideng 135 kgs now and feeling great. I just have to keep my estradiol where it is now and up the LH with some HCG and I’ll be happy.

The symptoms of low and high estradiol are so similar, but I can define mine now very easily. When I was very low, my joints ached like crazy. Whe it’s high, I sleep all the time.
- November 16, 2020 at 6:22 pm
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VUBlack
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Hey there, glad to hear some great success youre having! Glad it worked out well, and I still wish you good luck so it will work out even better after HCG merQistration Also, have you considered Clomid mono-therapy instead of HCG (that is if you were not on TRT or cycle)?
- November 19, 2020 at 1:10 am
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Dj hard
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Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

Hey there, glad to hear some great success youre having! Glad it worked out well, and I still wish you good luck so it will work out even better after HCG merQistration Also, have you considered Clomid mono-therapy instead of HCG (that is if you were not on TRT or cycle)?

Yes, alas, I am on TRT. I’m doing well in the gym, and well in bed, at 75 fucking is very important to me. I refuse to grow old gracefully. I have a good body, still brown hair and lots of it and I can still attract the younger dark_sidecks and so far no complaints at all.