A Bit About Tren

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- October 30, 2020 at 4:38 am
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Dreamer
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Not a question or answer but a comment.

What I notice about tren that impact sides.

I believe Estrogen should be as low as you can go without bottoming out so Aromasin when Bulking. Adex is a powerful force but a different type of AI. For low dose test I see the best results with Aromasin.

ED injections should be the norm. I notice the difference in 150 EOD and 75 ED even when using Tren E lessen the sides you cannot escape (cardio hit) Keep your level in body a close to constant as possible. This is why most people see sides flare worst during the first few weeks. Climbing the ladder up is hard.

Respect the sweat. If you are not sweating it can indicate your body "wants" carbs. Why does it want carbs? I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren. Tren wants energy to use for building muscle and obliterating fat. This requires energy. Cutting or Bulking must respect daily needs of carbs or you are wasting the substances second most powerful trait.

Carb cycling on Tren. I know I am not a professional body builder and I never will be. I know I am not a nutritionist and never will be. I am smart enough to know that you either cut or bulk. Anything else is someone learning a lesson that they are not as smart as they think they are. As a regular Joe lifting weights on AAS trying to carb cycle while under genetic potential….waste of time. You will get results and you will say wow this is incredible….but you leave the cycle with 2-3 lbs of muscle you could of had. Dumb in my book. I will give an example just ran between to lifters on Tren 500/wk at a very reputable gym here in HK. I babysat the workouts and their nutrition. Lifter A did a full bulk with full meals 7 days a week. Lifter B did a full bulk with carb cycling 3 days a week. Each lifter did hypertrophy to exhaustion exercises for their workouts 4 days a week. Neither lifter did legs to avoid possible injuries due to squat racks do not exist in the gym and the lifters refused to participate on Smith Machine or Leg Press with the injury possibility. The numbers from bodyfat % at the end had each lifter losing the exact same amount of fat (Both started approx 20 percent). Lifter A gained 35% more LBM than Lifter B. 35% is too insane to ignore. EAT when BULKING when under genetic potential.

I can only say a few things about aggression. First, only happens on days I do not lift. Second, lack of carbs magnifies the side for me. Third, if tren dose fluctuates due to missing a pin it either severely triggers aggression or (I am a Tramadol user) it magnifies the peaceful feelings from the Tramadol and I m the nicest person ever.

Now for the parts that no one talks about. The parts that impact my life and lovedones the most.

********** LETHARGY*********
Tren makes you want to sleep. Bro science all you want to as why but it turns me into sleep every second I can. It is not that I am super tired especially on second in a row rest day. It is Tren impacts you mentally in this way. Which leads to the second item…

**********Think response and attention deficit**********
Tren makes you dumb (And makes you want to kill people that remind you you are dumb) You cannot think on subjects completely because you go from a thought into a floating mindlessness and then when you snap out of it you are like..wth that never happened before. It is real and it is Tren. Yo notice it the most after a workout and you are sitting eating your glucose recharge food stuffs. Zombie. I am sure it has been said before but it is really noticeable even on a 50ml/wk dose in a TrT routine.

**********Just Don’t Care**********
Just went to watch Pirates of the Caribbean. During the initial storytelling I had to force myself to watch. I usually feel a strong "care" to the person I am cheering for in a movie. I did not connect at all with Sparrow and I am a huge fan of the character. I just did not care

After I walked to Wan Chai to see what leg was prancing around. I just did not care. Held my head in the air and walked like a zombie.

Well that is enough. Just what I find about Tren and its bad side. Personally I suggest everyone to take the time and learn a lot about what you are getting into with Tren. My personal thought….

Tren gains are more than you can dream, especially if below genetic potential. Tren sides will place decisions you have to make that translate to Family or Tren.

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- October 30, 2020 at 5:26 am
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renepjd
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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren.

Great line above. Interesting rant dark_sidecago!
- October 30, 2020 at 8:54 am
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ZXY2
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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Not a question or answer but a comment.

What I notice about tren that impact sides.

I believe Estrogen should be as low as you can go without bottoming out so Aromasin when Bulking. Adex is a powerful force but a different type of AI. For low dose test I see the best results with Aromasin.

ED injections should be the norm. I notice the difference in 150 EOD and 75 ED even when using Tren E lessen the sides you cannot escape (cardio hit) Keep your level in body a close to constant as possible. This is why most people see sides flare worst during the first few weeks. Climbing the ladder up is hard.

Respect the sweat. If you are not sweating it can indicate your body "wants" carbs. Why does it want carbs? I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren. Tren wants energy to use for building muscle and obliterating fat. This requires energy. Cutting or Bulking must respect daily needs of carbs or you are wasting the substances second most powerful trait.

Carb cycling on Tren. I know I am not a professional body builder and I never will be. I know I am not a nutritionist and never will be. I am smart enough to know that you either cut or bulk. Anything else is someone learning a lesson that they are not as smart as they think they are. As a regular Joe lifting weights on AAS trying to carb cycle while under genetic potential….waste of time. You will get results and you will say wow this is incredible….but you leave the cycle with 2-3 lbs of muscle you could of had. Dumb in my book. I will give an example just ran between to lifters on Tren 500/wk at a very reputable gym here in HK. I babysat the workouts and their nutrition. Lifter A did a full bulk with full meals 7 days a week. Lifter B did a full bulk with carb cycling 3 days a week. Each lifter did hypertrophy to exhaustion exercises for their workouts 4 days a week. Neither lifter did legs to avoid possible injuries due to squat racks do not exist in the gym and the lifters refused to participate on Smith Madark_sidene or Leg Press with the injury possibility. The numbers from bodyfat % at the end had each lifter losing the exact same amount of fat (Both started approx 20 percent). Lifter A gained 35% more LBM than Lifter B. 35% is too insane to ignore. EAT when BULKING when under genetic potential.

I can only say a few things about aggression. First, only happens on days I do not lift. Second, lack of carbs magnifies the side for me. Third, if tren dose fluctuates due to missing a pin it either severely triggers aggression or (I am a Tramadol user) it magnifies the peaceful feelings from the Tramadol and I m the nicest person ever.

Now for the parts that no one talks about. The parts that impact my life and lovedones the most.

********** LETHARGY*********
Tren makes you want to sleep. Bro science all you want to as why but it turns me into sleep every second I can. It is not that I am super tired especially on second in a row rest day. It is Tren impacts you mentally in this way. Which leads to the second item…

**********Think response and attention deficit**********
Tren makes you dumb (And makes you want to kill people that remind you you are dumb) You cannot think on subjects completely because you go from a thought into a floating mindlessness and then when you snap out of it you are like..wth that never happened before. It is real and it is Tren. Yo notice it the most after a workout and you are sitting eating your glucose recharge food stuffs. Zombie. I am sure it has been said before but it is really noticeable even on a 50ml/wk dose in a TrT routine.

**********Just Don’t Care**********
Just went to watch Pirates of the Caribbean. During the initial storytelling I had to force myself to watch. I usually feel a strong "care" to the person I am cheering for in a movie. I did not connect at all with Sparrow and I am a huge fan of the character. I just did not care

After I walked to Wan Chai to see what leg was prancing around. I just did not care. Held my head in the air and walked like a zombie.

Well that is enough. Just what I find about Tren and its bad side. Personally I suggest everyone to take the time and learn a lot about what you are getting into with Tren. My personal thought….

Tren gains are more than you can dream, especially if below genetic potential. Tren sides will place decisions you have to make that translate to Family or Tren.

I agree on the attention issue. I cant even argue except to yell "BE QUIET".
Also though tram makes me the incredible hulk. Once in a great moon I would eat 7-10 at once. I could fall asleep while tearing someones head off.
- October 30, 2020 at 10:07 am
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ZXY2
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Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke

I agree on the attention issue. I cant even argue except to yell "BE QUIET".
Also though tram makes me the incredible hulk. Once in a great moon I would eat 7-10 at once. I could fall asleep while tearing someones head off.

Well shit, I get the same lethargy too. Walk through a brick wall if I want but no way I am walking all the way over to that wall.
- November 5, 2020 at 6:15 am
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PT1982
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I don’t know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don’t even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn’t even worth using. With tren E I’ve had good experiences with few sides, and I’ve had it with horrible sides. So I don’t use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I’ll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.
- November 5, 2020 at 7:07 am
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hollywoodundead2016
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- November 5, 2020 at 8:36 am
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SkYB
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Originally Posted by hollywoodundead2016

sounds like the best way to run tren is using ace instead of enth and injected daily. run caber with it to control prolactin. how on earth did u handle enanthate? that shit turned me into the devil himself.

I run enanthate with no sides at all besides good ones at 600 ew. I don’t have to take prami or caber either I just manage my estrogen. We are all different and react different. I’m lucky I guess
- November 5, 2020 at 9:45 am
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LUCKY PUNCH
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Originally Posted by SkYB

I run enanthate with no sides at all besides good ones at 600 ew. I don’t have to take prami or caber either I just manage my estrogen. We are all different and react different. I’m lucky I guess

You said it best,,,we do all vary greatly. None of the TREN ‘s effect me negatively UNLESS I get crazy with the dosages.
- November 5, 2020 at 11:00 am
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Skolzage
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Tren no matter what dose increases irritability and anxiety and insomnia is always there..gets much worse over 300 mg a wk..thaf being said, the gains in strength and clean muscle mass cannot be compared to anything else I’ve ever injected and the ability to burn body fat and retain lbm is incredible ..the sides are what keeps me away, lately I’ve been thinking about running tren no ester at high doses right away in the morning so the sides wear off when Iam trying to sleep..like everyone has said sides vary from person to person some people are more susceptible to anxiety or insomnia or high blood pressure..
- November 5, 2020 at 12:02 pm
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hollywoodundead2016
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- November 5, 2020 at 12:55 pm
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hollywoodundead2016
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- November 5, 2020 at 2:19 pm
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Androgen
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Originally Posted by PT1982

I don’t know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don’t even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn’t even worth using. With tren E I’ve had good experiences with few sides, and I’ve had it with horrible sides. So I don’t use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I’ll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.

I agree. No noticeable sides when pinning daily. Even tren E i was pinning daily and no noticeable sides. That is the best way to minimize the sides. I even see that it allows me to control myself when people come aggressive to me….. Or maybe its just my age. Lol
- November 5, 2020 at 3:45 pm
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Firstline
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Honestly guys if I was getting such severe sides from a compound I would stay well away from it.

I’ve never run cycle doses but felt wonders from 150mg pw Tren A. No unwanted sides other than HDL down to 30.

It boosted mood, confidence, libido, even reduced anxiety, better sleep, made me aggressive but in a H10d way.

That, as long as I have enough estrogen circulating, or hell breaks loose.

Right now I’m running 200mg (100mg 2x w) Tren E and I’m not feeling much from it.

As of lethargy, Tren makes me feel rather hyperthyroid in the start, but this evens out in day. My opinion is that it affects thyroid binding proteins so that an high is reached initially followed by slight hypothyroidism.

Mindlessness? Tren is a progestin. Endogenous P4 (progesterone) has anti-cholinergic activity. That means it antagonizes acetylcholine to some extent in the nervous system. ACh is your friendly neurotransmitter associated with reason, logic, and memory. When such antagonism is present, the system will try to H10 it by compensation mechanisms. But, if dosage of the compound if too high, the system might fail in the attempt.

Sides are most of the time dose dependent, if you feel overrun by Tren, you are either pinning too much or you should avoid it.
- November 5, 2020 at 4:41 pm
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renepjd
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Originally Posted by bizzarro

I’ve never run cycle doses but felt wonders from 150mg pw Tren A. No unwanted sides other than HDL down to 30.

The over-whelming majority of people should never need over that amount. Simply uneccessary unless a contest is pending.
- November 5, 2020 at 5:48 pm
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Sh0tsf1red
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Originally Posted by PT1982

I don’t know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don’t even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn’t even worth using. With tren E I’ve had good experiences with few sides, and I’ve had it with horrible sides. So I don’t use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I’ll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.

I run tren ace EOD with an increase to my TRT dose and seemed to have found a nice sweet spot personally. I think being on TRT makes a huge difference in how you experience sides with tren and other compounds in general. Honestly one of the only benefits of being told your balls don’t work right, I was 28 when I was diagnosed as needing TRT.

Bottom line: everyone responds differently to different compounds and posts like this (and general research) should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve said it a million times, most people would say my cycle dosages are a waste of time because I run so low but my strength, size, endurance and physique changes would beg to differ.
- November 10, 2020 at 1:21 am
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MToption2
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Originally Posted by renepjd

The over-whelming majority of people should never need over that amount. Simply uneccessary unless a contest is pending.

pw = per week