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  • OldBoy
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    if you were running test cyp and EQ ,, you have about 3+ weeks for those drugs to clear you system and for you to begin PCT . so yes during those 3 weeks you could definitely run an oral like dbol or winny . but then drop it once PCT starts

    OldBoy
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    that dosage is going to be different for everyone dependent on their estrogen and progestin sensitivity as well as what dosages and compounds their cycle entails. so it could be 200mg per week or 400mg per week for someone super progestin sensitive.

    however, why not just run a higher anabolic dosage so you can get the "therapeutic" benefits on top of the anabolic benefits . I mean if your going to be using Mast on cycle anyways, run a sufficient dosage (400-800)

    OldBoy
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    are you taking the Anadrol with food ?

    to ease stomach burden you can split your dosage up where you take half with a meal early in the day and the other half with a meal later in the day.

    just an fyi – Tren itself , even though an injectible, seems to cause me more stomach gastritis and heartburn then any of the orals I take.
    the reason being is some people respond to ‘toxicity’ in their body by their body producing more and more stomach acid.

    taking Prevacid daily may help as well

    OldBoy
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    estrogen is a hormone that passes through the liver and stimulates the liver to produce HDL cholesterol .. the reason why women in their 20s have extremely good cholesterol on blood work and pretty much zero risk of heart disease is because of their high levels of estrogen (until they reach menopause and no longer produce a lot of estrogen)

    so of course if your taking drugs to limit your production of estrogen, your going to limit your ability to produce HDL (again, estrogen itself plays a big role in HDL production)

    if you want healthy HDL levels,, if you want healthy cardiovascular system and heart health, then you want to have a healthy and sufficient level of estrogen and not be taking drugs like AI’s that limit these things

    OldBoy
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    I think you would benefit from running something that has a strong affinity towards SHRonin , so Proviron or even a low dose of Winny. if you prefer injectable and not orals, then go with Masteron . I think that coupled with a very low dose AI (Adex .12 – .25 mg twice per week) would work . keep estrogen somewhat in control but not too low and free up more Test

    OldBoy
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    I’d take it in the morning , then take it again in the afternoon about 40 mins pre workout. I like it pre workout because of the mental St07 and drive it gives me . I’m not sure though what mechanisms that Dbol acts so directly on mood. probably about 8 out of 10 guys feel the mood enhancement benefits from Dbol . it was actually used for a short time , I think in the 1950-60s, to treat depression .

    • in reply to: Adding T3?
    OldBoy
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    one of the main benefits to taking T3 specially while dieting down/cutting , even at a replacement dosage, is that the metabolism variable becomes ‘fixed’.

    a fixed variable is a very useful tool while dieting down.. having to manipulate your calories, your carbs, your cardio, etc.. all the damn time because your metabolism keeps fighting against you can be a pain. so even a 25mcg replacement dosage of T3 at least helps keep metabolic variables more fixed.

    also your T4/t3 natty production is likely slightly suppressed from the tren run .

    note – for recomp and bulking/hypertrophy I generally prefer T4 over T3

    OldBoy
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    Var is simply a ‘pure anabolic ‘ that up regulates protein synthesis and creatine phosphate .. if those things are up regulated with 50mg a day then there isn’t much purpose in going to 100.

    now with androgenic and estrogenic compounds, yes the higher the dose the more you may get out of it. but with pure anabolics you get what you get and if its working its working ,, taking more is a waste of $.
    its not like your going to get more protein synthesis and CP up regulation . your already at physiological limitations likely.

    300 pound pro TrueMaxders like Luke Sandoe only use 20mg per day of Var , eating 7 meals per day and bendark_sideng 500 pounds for reps..
    so why would you need 100 mg per day ?

    OldBoy
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    Lol . your going to be just fine brother . enjoy yourself
    OldBoy
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    yes of course you can run both. they are going to have some slightly synergistic properties and added benefits when combined together.

    not sure why guys think they can combine 5 different injectables but are supposed to only run one oral at a time. probably the over exaggeration of liver toxicity.. but either way, orals are just like any other AAS and often work better when stacked and combined.

    lots of ways to rotate different orals into your cycles, or combine them.

    eg. got clients running 25mg Winstrol first thing in the morning for the cortisol suppression and anabolic benefits, while running 50mg of Dbol or Adrol later in the day for the nutrient partitioning and nutrient retentive properties. great combo. later on they both may be pulled out and we will rotate in Var and Tbol for an anabolic only type phase. then a break. then another rotation.

    you can do something similar with var and dbol

    OldBoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by  rubsdView
    What do you consider a low yet still effective dose for what we use these things for… i.e. body building

    Luke Sandoe used only 20mg of Var for his Olympia prep.. it really depends on what your using it for and what your stacking it with.

    I’m starting a con prep cycle here this week. my dosage of Var starting out will only be 20mg as well. though I’d generally run 40mg, but this time around I’m stacking it/rotating it with Winny and Anadrol . as a stand alone though, I think 40mg is plenty effective.
    as an addition to TRT , 10-30mg is also fine

    OldBoy
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    Var will definitely help do that . but its the most expensive way to do that . things like Proviron , Mast, and Winny will also decrease SHRonin but at a much lower price point (especially the Winstrol ).

    Keep in mind that SHRonin binds up DHT more then any other hormone . so while lowering SHRonin will free up a bit more test, it will also free up a lot more DHT (that could be good or it could be bad depending on your situation)

    OldBoy
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    EQ is a great compound WHEN used within a proper setting/context. its more of a ‘filler’ or synergy drug then a stand alone. the only place its shines as a stand alone is on a cruise, example running 500mg of eq year round with just a little bit of test as your ‘trt’.
    what do I mean by "filler" drug ?

    well lets say you normally would run 1000mg of test as your base for any cycle, and then you’d add your other compounds to that base to complete your stack. well instead of using all 1000mg of test, you can use a filler.. so say 400mg of test and 600mg of EQ, that gives you your 1000mg base. EQ works well for this being it is really nothing more then a ‘cleaner’ version of test (structurally its actually just injectible Dbol without the 17alk or estrogen conv).
    whats the reason for running 400mg test and 600mg EQ rather then just simply 1000mg test as as base.. well the EQ fills in the gap of high dosage test without the excessive estrogen and DHT conversion. so you get much more mild side effects, mainly yielding just the anabolic benefits.

    why does EQ make a great synergy drug? couple things
    – its very similar to deca in its ability to promote collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention in the joints, so it helps with joints on cycle (also why its used for race horses)
    – it converts into an anti estrogenic enzyme . the longer you take EQ the more this enzyme builds up blunting estrogen and providing a slightly ‘drying’ effect to the physique.
    – it doesn’t convert to DHT.. thus it can be ran at very high dosages to get the anabolic benefits without a ton of DHT sides

    a couple of different ways to use EQ
    – as part of your "trt" or your cruise. you can run it year round. again its just a ‘clean’ version of test essentially
    – as a filler. to add a strong base to a stack without having to run high dosage test as that base.
    – as an anabolic in a long 12-16 week cycle , ran at say 600-800mg per week
    – as an anabolic during one phase of a phase cycling protocol or compound rotation protocol, ran at 1500-2000mg per week for 6 weeks
    – added into any cycle at lower dosage to get joint support effects.

    more can be said but thats the jist of it

    OldBoy
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    Sounds like you function better with higher levels of E . If your not gyno prone then thats not a problem. If your not trying to shred down for a show then thats not a problem either. however going into pct with elevated estrogen will make recovery more difficult. you could just run your AI at the tail end of the cycle. if your worried about gyno then run a low dose SERM during the cycle.

    One other thing though is that if your converting a lot of Test over to estrogen, and possibly a lot of it getting bound up with SHRonin as well, then you may not have a ton of free test left to benefit you. try running 75mg of Proviron , that will help free up more test and may help the sex drive as well

    • in reply to: Deca works
    OldBoy
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    I would just stick with where your at right now and keep running the deca and test. seems to be working for you for now.

    on a side note – you mentioned dropping the EQ cause you were worried about it "thickening your blood" and causing lethargy . keep in mind that Deca is generally a lot more efficient at raising RBC and Hematocrit and "thickening blood" then EQ is . thats why Deca became a human grade medical drug (and EQ was dropped) to treat anemia . and even though EQ is a veterinary drug, even in veterinary medicine Deca is used over EQ in animals that are anemic.

    so you dropped the wrong drug if that was your purpose.

    but the good news here is that . so what.. high RBC and hematocrit is not going to make you lethargic (otherwise endurance athletes wouldn’t be driving their hematocrit levels up way higher then TrueMaxders ever get to). theres no problem with high RBC and Hemo as long as your blood platelet count is in normal range.

    if you get lethargic on cycle, its because of water retention and increase blood volume from water and nutrient retention (not RBC)

    I wouldn’t go out of my way to donate blood unless I knew my blood platelet count was high . don’t really care if RBC and hematocrit is high, thats supposed to happen when you take AAS , its what you want to happen

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