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    Update : It’s now September. I haven’t taken any kind of AI since 30 July, not even Proviron . I kept my T levels as they were as per advised.

    During this time, I still haven’t had any real libido. I’m finding the weights seem to be getting heavier. I still have aches in joints, so obviously this isn’t working.

    I’m thinking of doubling my dose of Testosterone in the hope that I’ll get some aromatization. I had a chat on Skype with a retired doctor friend ( who was also into Judo and weights when he was younger). He says that I’m probably one of the very few people who don’t get very much aromatization at all and if this is true then I would need to take a LOT of testosterone for a short while or get estradiol tablets (joke for where I live in Europe!).

    Not sur what to bump it up to. I thought maybe up it to 400 mg weekly or even more just for a short time. Then hope the e2 goes up.

    Anyone got a better suggestion?

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by renepjdView
    Ok. Main thing is to pull BW routinely to stay healthy. Things change as we age and what works now may not a year from now.

    The last time Arimidex passed my lips was on 30 July. I’ve been pinning 500 IU HCG EOD and keeping my T the same (changing only one thing at a time). My lifts are still going up. I feel good, but my libido is still down there at the bottom of the well! I got hold of some Proviron from a colleague, but I haven’t taken any yet. I was thinking along the lines that if my E2 is KNACKERED and I start taking Proviron which is a mild AI, it’s only going to keep my E2 down there.

    Any idea when I should start getting some libido back?

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by renepjdView
    Ok. Main thing is to pull BW routinely to stay healthy. Things change as we age and what works now may not a year from now.

    Plan is to get another blood in 3 months maybe even sooner, depends on libido. Game plan is blood every 6 months.

    HRT as in Hormone Replacement Therapy?
    Vet as in Veterinarian or Vet as in Veteran?
    From your posting times you aren’t in the USA or am I wrong?

    My daughter has a really strange blood result. Doctors where I live are idiots. Maybe you could help. No-one else seems interested – no it isn’t steroids !

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by renepjdView
    Ridiculous statement from a doctor.
    How’s your Hematocrit level Baldur?
    Still no doubt you can titrate back a little, especially with the numbers posted. Don’t get caught up in the mindset that more is better or you just have to have a certain amount to feel good. It’s usually not the case.

    I wrote of doctors many years ago. I went with my wife to a doctors surgery, she had to pick up something, not sure what. We sat waiting for over an hour to see the guy. There were dark_sidelCrash007 running around screaming. Not long after I collapsed, got taken home in a taxi. Doctor refused to make a house call because I hadn’t seen a doctor for 12 years, so therefore I couldn’t be sick. My wife MTIIE him come out and he diagnosed a cold and stress and told her to give me some aspirin. She got another doctor and I had Chicken Pox. Caught it from one of the screaming kids in his surgery!

    The only reason I tool Arimidex was because almost everyone on every forum told me that I should definitely take it, so I did. It wasn’t a SERIOUS problem for the past 8 or 9 months. Libido was up and down, but I thought that this was normal. My blood test in Feb showed estradiol only slightly low, and SHRonin still up.

    My latest Haematocrit is 5.13 (Max 5.63). In Feb it was 46.6.

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by TengenView
    200 mgs/ week is the upper dosage of TRT. An AI is only needed if you are suffering symptoms of high E2. Things like gyno or other related issues.
    Did you pull labs pre TRT, during TRT? To check E2 levels before just adding in a compound?
    Injecting twice a week subq is the best approach and helps to stabilIze serum levels which helps keep E2 from getting out of control, but everyone is different.
    Are you taking HCG with your Test?
    Have you been pulling labs to check you RBC? And Hemotocrit levles?
    With that high a dose you could have polycythemia, very easily. I take 150/ week and def have it so, that is no joke and why you should be pulling reg labs.

    100 mg did nothing for me at all. Before I started, my Total Testosterone was 484, so doc said it was very high for a man of my age. When I told him it didn’t make sense because I hadn’t had an erection for almost 6 years, the asshole laughed and said "why would a man of 73 want an erection?"

    I went to 3 different doctors before one agreed to test Free Testosterone and estradiol etc. my Free T was so low they couldn’t measure it. My SHRonin was way up, my estradiol was actually down a bit. The Endo they sent me to refused to treat me because of my age and high Total T!

    I searched on this and many other Forums and started 100 mg weekly. No effect at all. It was only when I got up to 200 that I actually started to come alive. I’ve actually tried dropping it, but then I start to feel like shit again in a couple of weeks.

    I had blood done again 3 months after I started TRT and HGH. It was OK. Estradiol was up to lab specs, SHRonin still high. For my latest blood work, they don’t actually give you figures over a certain limit, the just tell you >1154, same with Free T >22 ng/dl they use ng/L for the estradiol. It’s <25 LH is <0.1 U/L. prolactin is 8.0 ug/L. SHRonin is 76.9 nmol/L, which is just outside the lab max of 76.7.

    My IGF-1 is 363 ug/L. Everything else on the blood was within the lab ranges.

    I’m certainly not planning to add anything else to the mix until I get my e2 up and my sexy life turns on again. I actually LIKE to get erections and I actually LIKE sex, in spite of the moronic doctors!

    There is zero history of cancer or heart problems in my family

    I REFUSE to grow old gracefully. My grandfather missed his 100th birthday by a couple of weeks. He ate some bad fish paste. He was very healthy. I understand his father made 115. I plan to beat ’em both! Not only that, but I plan to bench 200 kgs, long before than!

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3View
    Nandrolone decanate does convert to estrogen… At 20% the rate of testosterone … Very little but it does convert(not or rarely in adipose tissues)… For those that are more sensitive to aromatization may get some E2 sides(nothing like test)…

    Found this on a quick search…
    Nandrolone also show an extremely lower tendency for estrogen conversion. For comparison, the rate has been estimated to be only about 20% of that seen with testosterones9

    That’s good to know. I always thought that it did aromatization. Thanks for that info. I also have slight BPH and I’ve had it for years. I used to have to get up to pee, 3 or 4 times nightly. I had it treated with acupuncture. It seemed to work, because since than, I sometimes have to get up once, but most nights I sleep right through. I keep a careful watch on my prostate. I wonder if Deca can affect that. I’ve looked on the web, but everyone has a different idea. It’s always nice to have some first hand experience to guide one.

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99View
    The Proviron has nothing to do with AI’s. I take 50 mg every day. Like I said before, I wouldn’t take an AI at 200 mg of test, but others may advise differently. I guess it’s different for everyone. For instance, I take 25 mg eod of aromasin right now, but I’m on a ton more test than you. Since your estrogen is zero, in my mind it doesn’t need any controlling at all right now!!

    The reason I ask is that once I get some e2 back, I want to add 200 mg Deca every week for a while. My knees still give me a hard time, not really painful, but uncomfortable and they make noises!

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99View
    I knew there was a reason I only use aromasin , just didn’t know the particulars. Crashed repeatedly myself on adex. Got to the point where I never took an AI. Went around looking like the Michelien Man with feet like a pregnant woman. Lunk suggested I try aromasin and have been great ever since.

    Yeah, I’m 50 on an island full of 25 year olds and they all guess me at 35. Hope I’m the same as you 25 years from now. I take 50 mg of Proviron ed. It keeps the test from binding to the SHRonin and leaves more free test in the blood. Honestly I don’t think it’s a game changer, but I take it and it works for me.

    So do you take the Proviron as well as the Aromasin? How much T do you take weekly and how much of the Aromasin and Proviron?

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99View
    Crashing your estrogen is kind of like tumbling your house of cards. It will take a while to build back up, but like with a house of cards, do you think it wise to stack the cards twice as fast to make up the lost time? You probably know what happens next? You swing the other way and end up in the same libido boat, but with the added fun of water retention, BP issues most likely, possible gyno issues (more of a threat since I’m not picturing a lean, cut 74 year old at 105 KG (am I right?) And then your back on the "How much AI should I take" ride again…

    Nope. Slow and steady wins the race. It won’t be that long before your feeling better (anything more than zero will be an improvement estrogen wise) and then better and better. It’s not like you wait a month and then bang, your better.

    BTW, 200 mg is not TRT. It’s not much, but it’s way over TRT I think…

    You’re right, I’m not as lean as I would like to be. When I was young and doing heavy weight workouts, along with Judo, Aikido, and a hole host of other activities, I was LEAN and I weighed 110 kgs. I was one hell of a lot bigger than I am today. According to the fat calipers, I’m somewhere around 18% body fat. I wasn’t able to do any form of exercise from around 35 until I retired. I already lost almost 50 kgs of fat. My take was that if I tried to lose any more, I would look skinny. I decided to put on some more muscle before trying to lose any more fat. I got down to 100 kgs, then went on a weight gain up to 106. Then I lost more fat to 100 again and I’m now on 105 kgs. I FEEL good and I look good enough to be still guessed at under 50 and no- one believes my age or that I can bench 145 kgs.

    I just want my sex life back! I suppose you are right, so I guess being patient (not my strongest suit) is the way to go.

    I tried 100 mg test, for a couple of months. Waste of time. It was only when I went up to 200 that I started to come back to life again. I’ll stick with what I’m on until the libido hots up.

    Does anyone know anything about Proviron ? I’m told this hots up the libido as well.

    Dj hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99View
    Hey Man! In my opinion your dose is too low to warrant an AI. As evidenced by bloodwork your estrogen has crashed resulting in no libido. I would continue on the test, drop the AI and get new estradiol tests done in a month if your not back to normal libido-wise. Also, until you get that sorted I wouldn’t muddy the water with any deca blasting of 200mg/wk!! LOL! Although deca won’t convert to estro, you could possibly have prolactin issues (doubt it at 200 mg/wk) which would affect libido but wouldn’t be estrogen, which could get confusing.

    Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something. I’m 99% sure if you stop the AI you will return to happiness. However, it may take a while since it’s a long road back from estro crashing.

    Is there anything that I can do / take to speed it up? How about double the testosterone (or more) for a while?

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