Which steroids for first cycle?

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

How do you judge someone’s degree of intellect on the basis of their appearance?

if the discussion is about musclebuilding and musclebuilding drugs, i want to be called stupid by someone who has something to show for how smart he is… its like – im not gonna take nutritional advice from a fat guy, or an advice in business and economics from someone who hasnt got any money, right?

about the pic – its me when i was 19 or early 20, now im almost 23… i dont have any newer ones
and no – its not without the gear… im 6’2 and was 140lbs… i went from 140lbs to 220 from the age of 15-18 i gues, and then i started my first cycle. i dont feel any shame about that cause my genes ar really bad.

EDIT : the "smarter" dude went offline so im changing my pic back. will have to discuss that some other time i gues.

Originally Posted by Shadowmaker

if the discussion is about musclebuilding and musclebuilding drugs, i want to be called stupid by someone who has something to show for how smart he is… its like – im not gonna take nutritional advice from a fat guy, or an advice in business and economics from someone who hasnt got any money, right?

about the pic – its me when i was 19 or early 20, now im almost 23… i dont have any newer ones
and no – its not without the gear… im 6’2 and was 140lbs… i went from 140lbs to 220 from the age of 15-18 i gues, and then i started my first cycle. i dont feel any shame about that cause my genes ar really bad.

No one’s calling you "stupid" per se. They may refer to your decision as poor, bad, reckless, or stupid but one bad decision doesn’t make a bad person. Obviously you are making a better choice by coming here and seeking the knowledge and experience of those who have it to offer. What some of the vets here are suggesting is that you be more pragmatic about your choices. You still have time to grow naturally. To the best of my knowledge, steroids have been around a long time and there are no plans for them to disappear tomorrow. They’ll still be here for a much longer time.

Can you give me one good reason why you NEED to do steroids now instead of waiting another 3-4 years? Too many people see steroids as a magic pill. We are programmed to believe you can have immediate success. Nothing works like that. Hell even getting fat takes time…..it’s just less work sitting on your ass eating poorly!

Ultimately you’ll do what you want to do. Just be mature enough to fully accept all the consequences of those decisions. There have been numerous threads on here from guys your age that cycled and had significant problems, later wishing they had waited longer to cycle. Don’t assume you’ll be an exception.

Originally Posted by Shadowmaker

cause the "vets" decide for you… kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"….

anyways, here’s my bad advice – if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals – Stanozolol or Dbol i gues… Start at 20mg, if you feel need – can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now – hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you’ll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT – if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after… diet is 80% of all the result.

We give solid advice and get a lot of great help from other members here that believe in doing things the right way. That’s what this board is about. And we don’t decide on what a person will ultimately do, that’s up to the individual. What we do decide on though, is how long we’re going to tolerate posts like this. You admittedly have kidney issues yet still tell OP it’s ok to use orals. That’s just plain bad advice.

Please refrain from posting this nonsense in the future.

Originally Posted by papa-g

Hey bro, I don’t think anyone is flaming you. And you will get solid advise if you ate willing to listen and learn. Why make the same mistakes others did when it can be avoided right? But remember, your the one who started out by saying you had you your mind made up and that was that. With an attitude like that you won’t get too far Round here. But it sounds like you do have alot to learn and you might be willing to listen when people talk so I hope you make the right choices that best fit what you want out of life. And on the gaining water question, yes, some AAS will cause extra water weight. The use of an on cycle AI will help this. Other compounds have almost zero water weight gain associated with them.

These are reasons why if you take the time to read the steroid profiles you will better understand how they work and what they can do. Also take note that none of that will matter if you don’t eat right and train hard while getting enough rest in between. Stick around and you will learn alot. Most will come from reading other threads a d then, if you get stuck, ask. You will get help.

Papa.

^^^^Precisely. Posting a nutrition and training plan will be helpful so we can so the bigger picture and help with a total plan to adark_sideeve goals.

Originally Posted by Shadowmaker

cause the "vets" decide for you… kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"….

anyways, here’s my bad advice – if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals – Stanozolol or Dbol i gues… Start at 20mg, if you feel need – can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now – hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you’ll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT – if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after… diet is 80% of all the result.

We have a universal code on this site and it is not to give advice to people that may hurt them. It is not a Stalin "thing" and you should be suspended just for spewing that garbage and garbage advice.