The young and Steroids

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    • October 30, 2020 at 4:17 am
    marcus300
    Member
    Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

    There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I’ve seen personally over the last 25yrs I’ve been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn’t going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
    Marcus

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    • December 8, 2020 at 2:10 am
    Nicky1010
    Member
    I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
    I’m not here to say you’re wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
    But.
    I haven’t started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
    I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
    What I mean by that – If you’re 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don’t cycle until you put on some size.

    I won’t go on and on, but what I’m saying is this.

    If you’re smart, and you’ve done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don’t be afraid to do it because you’re too young. Everyone is different.

    • December 8, 2020 at 3:24 am
    Sirius
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky1010View
    I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
    I’m not here to say you’re wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
    But.
    I haven’t started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
    I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
    What I mean by that – If you’re 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don’t cycle until you put on some size.

    I won’t go on and on, but what I’m saying is this.

    If you’re smart, and you’ve done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don’t be afraid to do it because you’re too young. Everyone is different.

    You said it yourself, everyone is different. That could mean your 4 friends are perfectly fine the way they’ve done it (that may be another story in 5-10 years) and then boom you’re suffering depression and low test, limp dick after your first cycle. The risks are dramatically increased when you mess with your HPTA before it’s fully developed, so it’s safer to wait.

    • December 8, 2020 at 4:48 am
    Nicky1010
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusView
    You said it yourself, everyone is different. That could mean your 4 friends are perfectly fine the way they’ve done it (that may be another story in 5-10 years) and then boom you’re suffering depression and low test, limp dick after your first cycle. The risks are dramatically increased when you mess with your HPTA before it’s fully developed, so it’s safer to wait.

    Key word you said – "may".
    There’s always a risk no matter how old you are. They’re illegal in most countries for a reason.

    Regarding to what you said though – yes, limp dick and low test are highly probable especially to people who don’t stack properly. This part should be common sense to everyone on this forum – whatever you take, you are completely halting your bodies production of test. Therefore, supplement with test. Scared to pin? Don’t cycle. Simple as that.

    • December 8, 2020 at 5:57 am
    lovbyts
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky1010View
    I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
    I’m not here to say you’re wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
    But.
    I haven’t started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
    I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
    What I mean by that – If you’re 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don’t cycle until you put on some size.

    I won’t go on and on, but what I’m saying is this.

    If you’re smart, and you’ve done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don’t be afraid to do it because you’re too young. Everyone is different.

    Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

    People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

    In the en it’s up to you what you do or dont do but it’s one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

    I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

    As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

    • December 8, 2020 at 7:02 am
    marcus300
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by lovbytsView
    Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

    People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

    In the en it’s up to you what you do or dont do but it’s one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

    I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

    As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

    I was going to reply but looks like you summed it up for me.

    • December 8, 2020 at 8:33 am
    Nicky1010
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by lovbytsView
    Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

    People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

    In the en it’s up to you what you do or dont do but it’s one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

    I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

    As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

    Take a look at my post shortly after.

    There’s a reason why steroids are illegal in most countries. Based on your reply to my post, you’re smart enough to figure out the answer as to why they’re illegal on your own.

    Yes, my friends have so far had no problems, and yes there is plenty of potential for them to have problems in the near future but so is there for everyone. No matter how old you are, there is always a chance that you will have issues when you are older. Low test, depression etc.
    My point is not "Go do steroids kids, it’s not as bad as people say it is". No.

    Its be cautious, be smart, and know your body.

    • December 8, 2020 at 10:04 am
    lovbyts
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300View
    I was going to reply but looks like you summed it up for me.

    Ha, for once I posted first? Most of the time if I write more than 1 sentence by the time I hit post you have already replied and mine looks like a cheap copy. lol

    • December 8, 2020 at 11:34 am
    Aegis
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300View
    I wouldn’t use any IMHO even though it wont effect your HPTA your far better attack your bf with cardio and diet. Using these two things to manipulate your body into burning fat as fuel is a better way that using compounds straight out. Your also better doing it slowly so address your cardio and tighten your diet up then after a few weeks/months you will hit a wall with your gains so then attack your diet and so on, do things slowly and you will be in a better position in keeping the bf off. There is no magic pill its all hard work and being consistent with your cardio and diet

    I agree with you 100%, have done it before and adark_sideeved under 10% Bf.. The whole point i wanted to include Clen is because I will be playing football(soccer) 2x a week, which is 1h30min straight intense cardio, during a cutting phase i believe it would be pretty hard playing without muscle going to waste.. Also I have tried some of my cousins clen one day out of curiosity and had the best game of my life.

    • December 8, 2020 at 12:31 pm
    tatted4Life
    Member
    What’s a good stack with sus for muscle gains
    • December 8, 2020 at 1:35 pm
    Oki-Des
    Member
    This is a fun post to read through and hear everyone’s opinion. I used to wish that this kind of information was available to me 20 years ago so I would not have screwed myself up so much. But this post also reminded me that when I was young I too was probably too stupid to have listened to anyone too and still would have probably screwed myself up anyways. You can only offer good advice, but everyone, or at least some people lack the abiity to learn from others mistakes and have to make them on their own. I like the post saying my four friends did it with no problem so I will be fine too. With that kind of backup nothing could go wrong.
    • December 8, 2020 at 2:35 pm
    *wolf*
    Member
    none
    Great info. Hear of a lot of teenagers and kids in their early 20’s considering AAS. negatives definitely outweigh the positives in this case
    • December 8, 2020 at 3:52 pm
    Lava
    Member
    Great post
    • December 8, 2020 at 4:57 pm
    Sirbattos
    Member
    I havent read through all the pages, nor all the threads.
    I know theres baseline blood tests for general use of steroids but are there certain tests that should be specifically added for people <25 of age?

    • December 8, 2020 at 5:51 pm
    Joy
    Member
    Very good post, i’ll have a think
    • December 12, 2020 at 12:58 am
    Joy
    Member
    thanks buddy, good to know
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