Testosterone Enanthate and Water Retention

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- November 5, 2020 at 6:10 am
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Stephen051
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Hello Everyone,

I am doing a lot of research and still planning my first cycle of test E alone.
My goal is to develop strength, power and speed and I want to be lean, cut
and dry looking. I do not want water retention. This is why I am now concerned
if I take 500mg test E for 12 weeks every 3.5 days I will hold a lot of water and
bloat.

I am thinking to use test E at maximum dose of just 250mg/week and the reason
is I am concerned about this water retention and bloating.

As I am building body for 100m sprints I do not want extra water weight or bloated
situation with my body.

Hence why I am thinking for first cycle of only 250mg test e before later in future cycle
3 months after to stack winstrol with test e and later on stack test with tren and
later again stack test, tren and winstrol.

I am planning to never exceed 250mg test E and the reason is I do not want
the bloating and water retention. This 250mg test E will be the base for every cycle.

Every drug I read about that cause water retention or bloating I avoid or reduce.
It is recommended to use test as base hormone for every cycle.

The reason is I want cut, lean and athletic appearance and dislike bloat and water look.

What are your opinions?

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- November 10, 2020 at 7:41 am
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Stephen051
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Alright first cycle I will plan to try 250 and 500 in the case everything is okay for the second cycle.

Its not as if I am a long distance runner or anything 100m sprint lasts only 10 or 11 seconds at maximal effort
that’s why Tren would be useful. Cardiovascular performance is not important for this event as it is almost entirely
anaerobic.
- November 10, 2020 at 9:03 am
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Stephen051
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Originally Posted by redz

I’ve never heard of runners using tren at all, winstrol on the other hand is very performance enhancing. I`m not arguing that test at a low dose can be used as a base I`m just explaining stacking compounds makes no sense for a first cycle.

Okay, well if you read my posts you will learn my first cycle is test e only 250mg/w but I plan on stacking both win and tren down the line in future cycles while using 250mg test e as a base.
- November 10, 2020 at 10:18 am
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TheTaxMan
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Plan and excute your first cycle without thinking anout cycle 2,3,4 its hard not to think of the future we all do it

But its best to not get confused or go head over heels

Go with test only for your first cycle, if it was me id do test e 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks
- November 10, 2020 at 11:38 am
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redz
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You will see very little gain from 250mg but you can go ahead and do it anyways because one other novice user told you too. Have fun with getting shutdown for virtually no gain.
- November 10, 2020 at 12:51 pm
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tectime
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250 mg wkly puts me at around 1800 serum tes levels and over 70 on free t. Hmm that’s enough to see some great gains. True I prefer 300+ mgs per wk even on cruise mode but with the proper food consumption and a good disciplined work out routine you can see gains and def maintain all gains from blast mode at 250 mgs/wkly. would i suggest such a low cycle dose…. No not unless it is accompanied by another compound, but anytime you can raise you tes levels to 3x your nat. you better see some gains of you need to get of your ass and get busy in the gym and kitchen!
- November 10, 2020 at 1:53 pm
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NACH3
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Originally Posted by tectime

250 mg wkly puts me at around 1800 serum tes levels and over 70 on free t. Hmm that’s enough to see some great gains. True I prefer 300+ mgs per wk even on cruise mode but with the proper food consumption and a good disciplined work out routine you can see gains and def maintain all gains from blast mode at 250 mgs/wkly. would i suggest such a low cycle dose…. No not unless it is accompanied by another compound, but anytime you can raise you tes levels to 3x your nat. you better see some gains of you need to get of your ass and get busy in the gym and kitchen!

Run this test only cycle – and the bloat is all determined by your diet/training/water intake(more the better) – one can cut on any compound out there if all that above is on point! I’d still say run 300+ but I’d do 500mgs wkly like stated – not b/c you won’t see results on 250mgs wkly, but b/c your not stacking it w/anything yet as you need to know how you react!

After you know what test does to your body and how your body reacts to it – try EQ – it’s a favorite amongst cyclists etc as it raises RBC in turn gives you more O2 – it will raise your HMC tho(viscosity of blood – depending on dose and duration)… Note – I’m not saying to run EQ now – just test – in future take a look for yourself!
- November 10, 2020 at 3:12 pm
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PrettyPlease?
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Originally Posted by redz

250 mg wkly puts me at around 1800 serum tes levels and over 70 on free t. Hmm that’s enough to see some great gains. True I prefer 300+ mgs per wk even on cruise mode but with the proper food consumption and a good disciplined work out routine you can see gains and def maintain all gains from blast mode at 250 mgs/wkly. would i suggest such a low cycle dose…. No not unless it is accompanied by another compound, but anytime you can raise you tes levels to 3x your nat. you better see some gains of you need to get of your ass and get busy in the gym and kitchen!

Thank you for your post. This is my point exactly. We got guys saying 250mg/week is barely more than a TRT dose. Who here is on 250mg/week TRT to keep their levels normal or "barely above normal?" You will see results at the level and for a first cycle do we really need to be advocating more is better?
- November 10, 2020 at 4:24 pm
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PrettyPlease?
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Originally Posted by redz

Test is very performance enhancing, I have used it for hockey and seen great results and I stand by the fact 250mg is a waste of time I have seen it enough times.

And I have seen 250mg/week not be a waste enough times. The guy is sprinter not a TrueMaxder and not a hockey player.
- November 10, 2020 at 5:51 pm
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NACH3
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Originally Posted by PrettyPlease?

Novice user? There are more people in here saying you will see gains at 250mg/week than not.

redz if you need large amounts of testosterone to see any kind of results I don’t mind helping you with your diet. Just ask me big guy.

Thank you for your post. This is my point exactly. We got guys saying 250mg/week is barely more than a TRT dose. Who here is on 250mg/week TRT to keep their levels normal or "barely above normal?" You will see results at the level and for a first cycle do we really need to be advocating more is better?

Agreed – 250mgs is a high TRT dose(usually one gets away w/125-150wkly split into two doses) so I too believe for your first cycle you’ll see results – all I was referring to was the norm for a first cycle is 500mgs wkly split into 2 doses e3.5d….
- November 10, 2020 at 6:54 pm
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Stephen051
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I was watdark_sideng an AAS documentary recently and the professor of endocrinology was saying the tests produce naturally between 50-75mg/ test /week. So 250mg test e is still significantly higher than natural output or what is called a physiologic dose.

Also many elite TrueMaxders have been found to be taking 100X the physiologic "naturally produced dose" of testosterone (i.e. 100X 50-75mg is 5000-7500mg test/week). This is obviously a problem.

So for you guys who argue 250mg (almost 4 times the natural production of testosterone), do you still think it will not give me any results? I think you will find the professor would disagree. Four times natural output of test is a significant deviation from natural levels. Even if results are minimal I don’t see test e as a drug I will use for PE but rather as a drug to assist with helping me move and manage into the real deal of AAS for PE which are tren and winstrol .

If I am using hcg while on cycle at 250mg/w my tests might still be making 50mg of natural weekly test so I could well be still getting 300mg/test/week which is 4 times the physiologic dose.

Gram for gram when it comes to PE test simply cannot compete with tren or win however test is a base hormone being the male primary sex hormone it is useful as a tool for using AAS properly kind of like clomid and nova for pct, hcg during cycle, ect. At the moment I stand by the idea that for my application and purpose as a sprinter test is merely a tool for keeping my body working properly and not a drug of choice for PE. However for you guys who do TrueMaxding and want to risk using it at 10-100 times the physiologic dose and want the huge and thick looking/water holding bodies, good-luck to you.
- November 13, 2020 at 12:56 am
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Stephen051
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Originally Posted by numbere

If one has a crappy diet and does not control e2 then they can have more blot on 250 mg/week than a person who diets and manages e2 correctly while taking 1 g/week.

What do you mean by e2? I hear it again and again. e2 e2 what you guys on about?
- November 13, 2020 at 1:54 am
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The Deadlifting Dog
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Stephen,

Here is the problem with low dose cycles…
Everyone loses some gains during and after PCT due to low test levels.
Now while you will gain muscle using 250mg test per week. Let’s say you gain 4 lbs.
Let’s say you would gain 7 lbs using 500mg.
Let’s say you lose 2lbs during PCT.
That would leave you with a gain of 2lbs of muscle vs. a 5lb gain.
Let’s say you could’ve gained a half pound going naturally.
Net you are left with…
Either a 1.5lb difference or a 4.5lb difference.

So the question becomes…
If you are going to mess with your HPTA and assume the risks of permanent damage…. Is it worth it for 1.5lbs? Why not at least get the 4.5lbs?

Note I am not saying you won’t gain using 250mg.
I am saying it is not much gain for the risks assumed.
- November 13, 2020 at 3:21 am
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The Deadlifting Dog
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Originally Posted by Stephen051

I was watdark_sideng an AAS documentary recently and the professor of endocrinology was saying the tests produce naturally between 50-75mg/ test /week. So 250mg test e is still significantly higher than natural output or what is called a physiologic dose.

When doing this calculation do not forget to include the ester weight.
250mg of test e is about 200mg of pure test.
Hence you will be about 3x the normal person or about 2x a genetically gifted person.
- November 13, 2020 at 4:42 am
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Stephen051
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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Stephen,

Here is the problem with low dose cycles…
Everyone loses some gains during and after PCT due to low test levels.
Now while you will gain muscle using 250mg test per week. Let’s say you gain 4 lbs.
Let’s say you would gain 7 lbs using 500mg.
Let’s say you lose 2lbs during PCT.
That would leave you with a gain of 2lbs of muscle vs. a 5lb gain.
Let’s say you could’ve gained a half pound going naturally.
Net you are left with…
Either a 1.5lb difference or a 4.5lb difference.

So the question becomes…
If you are going to mess with your HPTA and assume the risks of permanent damage…. Is it worth it for 1.5lbs? Why not at least get the 4.5lbs?

Note I am not saying you won’t gain using 250mg.
I am saying it is not much gain for the risks assumed.

Okay Deadlifting Dog, assume the same risks for 500mg as 250mg. How many people start AAS first cycle in life with 500mg test e?

Whatever baseline for test E dosage I choose, I will keep this base dosage amount for life as my St07 for PE will be on tren and winny and managing the side effects though BW results with other compounds.
- November 13, 2020 at 6:11 am
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Mr.BB
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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

When doing this calculation do not forget to include the ester weight.
250mg of test e is about 200mg of pure test.
Hence you will be about 3x the normal person or about 2x a genetically gifted person.

250mgs of test E have 180mgs of actual test

So on average testes produce 50-75 mgs per week, what does the top 5% produce? Or we want to be average?