Steroids @ 20 yrs old? Cycle of testosterone. Thoughts?

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    • November 5, 2020 at 5:18 am
    Knavewands
    Member
    I’m thinking of doing a cycle of test when I turn 20 this year… I know this is kind of young, but I have VERY big dreams when it comes to bodybuilding. The level I want to compete at requires steroids to be taken… By my 20th I would have been lifting for almost 2 years. I eat the same macro’s every day and am currently cutting to 10% BF… when I do the cycle of test I plan to be bulking… Thoughts on this?

    Also, is it better to do either hypertrophy or strength training when taking test? Currently I’m doing SS 3×5 and making some nice progress despite the fact I’m cutting.

    Thanks in advance guys?

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    • November 10, 2020 at 7:22 am
    lifeofdefiance
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInkView
    I respect your input and appreciate that you’ve advised OP to wait, if for no other reason than his limited training experience.

    The problem with citing anecdotal experiences is that we can find any example to support our reasons to cycle or not. Does everyone who cycles before the magic number 25 endure complications? No. Does this mean then that everyone who cycles before their endocrine system has reached maturity will not have any complications? No. Just as you cited examples of kids (sorry, young men) who cycled at young ages and haven’t had any problems (at least not that they know of YET), there are plenty of threads here from young guys who have screwed themselves up. Moreover, some of our vets here would be the first to tell you THEY DID cycle at a young age and now have permanent problems to deal with.
    I’ve met people who have smoked and never developed cancer. I’ve met people who smoked and developed cancer. I’ve met people who never smoked and did develop cancer. So what do we conclude from this? Well, I certainly would never condone smoking.
    I’m not trying to imply that taking steroids is just as dangerous as smoking….however there are risks regardless and such risks are most certainly weighted more heavily against those who manipulate their endocrine system with steroids before it has fully developed.

    Again, I respect and appreciate your view and input, but I’d be very reluctant to encourage younger guys to cycle before they have reached maturity. You can take all the precautions you want and be as meticulous as possible, but you have no way of really knowing what the risks are of shutting down a developing HTPA….until it may be too late.

    That’s true and you bring up some good points. I guess all I’m really saying is that I think there are certain circumstances when it’s alright for someone to use steroids before 25, but only if they have many years of training and have assessed the risk and are willing to put the proper dedication into cycle. Obviously though waiting is the best case, unless you are very dedicated to training and dead set on running a cycle. I can’t say I regret cycling before 25, but if complications had arose, I definitely would, so I see where you’re coming from certainly. I think a lot of the bad stigma comes from so many young people running cycles with absolutely no clue of what they’re doing and then messing up their hormones due to lack of PCT. Not saying that they aren’t at a higher risk, but I’ve read far too many threads from younger people who just injected some stuff into themselves with absolutely no concept of what it even was and so that plays a large role in their screwed up hormones.

    To conclude, most people under 25 just aren’t at a point in their life (experience or maturity wise) to run a cycle, but I do think their are some exceptions to that.

    • November 10, 2020 at 8:16 am
    MuscleInk
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance
    That’s true and you bring up some good points. I guess all I’m really saying is that I think there are certain circumstances when it’s alright for someone to use steroids before 25, but only if they have many years of training and have assessed the risk and are willing to put the proper dedication into cycle. Obviously though waiting is the best case, unless you are very dedicated to training and dead set on running a cycle. I can’t say I regret cycling before 25, but if complications had arose, I definitely would, so I see where you’re coming from certainly. I think a lot of the bad stigma comes from so many young people running cycles with absolutely no clue of what they’re doing and then messing up their hormones due to lack of PCT. Not saying that they aren’t at a higher risk, but I’ve read far too many threads from younger people who just injected some stuff into themselves with absolutely no concept of what it even was.

    To conclude, most people under 25 just aren’t at a point in their life (experience or maturity wise) to run a cycle, but I do think their are some exceptions to that.

    I’m inclined to agree. Many of the problems with younger guys comes from a lack of education and the maturity needed to be committed to all parameters of training. As you know, building the near perfect physique is much more than pinning steroids . It’s about nutrition and training more than anything else and many young guys often lack the discipline and commitments required to be successful and limit risks.

    I think it’s important that the younger guys understand we aren’t trying to dissuade them, rather encourage patience until they have reached a level of mental and physical maturity to accept the responsibilities and dedication needed to be safe and successful.

    Thanks again for your valuable input and experiences!

    MI

    • November 10, 2020 at 9:30 am
    paul74
    Member
    Very, very good discussion and your input both "MuscleInk and lifeofdefiance" right on. Do you guys also weigh in the lack of maturity of the joints. You all know the guy’s strength is going to increase faster than the other body parts and bones can handle. Being an ectomorph even in my late twenties and early 30’s I grew faster than my thin/skinny bones and joints could handle and suffered some complications. Tendonitis, knee and shoulder damage, because I was lifting way to heavy for what my body was used to all my life. So in my OP that is also a consideration and maybe an important one. Who, when on cycle will not go for it every time they can. You know how excited, and energized a person can get on cycle at any age. This has been my true life experience. …paul74
    • November 10, 2020 at 10:35 am
    Sociabear
    Member
    I started at 19.
    I had been training sense roughly 15.
    I was prepping for my second show – I had an extremely experienced guy helping me. Who is the same guy to this day who helps me out.

    Will I ever be able to have kids? Not sure, I’ll Bambss that bridge when my wife and I get there.

    I have no health problems to date. I’m on as we speak. I never really go off, I had one year break at 22 when I was broke.

    With all that taken in I can tell you I still would have waited if I knew what I knew now. My diet and knowledge now is 150% better than it was back then. I should have St07ed on that more and always advise people to do the same.

    • November 10, 2020 at 11:53 am
    paul74
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by SociabearView
    I started at 19.
    I had been training sense roughly 15.
    I was prepping for my second show – I had an extremely experienced guy helping me. Who is the same guy to this day who helps me out.

    Will I ever be able to have kids? Not sure, I’ll Bambss that bridge when my wife and I get there.

    I have no health problems to date. I’m on as we speak. I never really go off, I had one year break at 22 when I was broke.

    With all that taken in I can tell you I still would have waited if I knew what I knew now. My diet and knowledge now is 150% better than it was back then. I should have St07ed on that more and always advise people to do the same.

    How old are you now? Do you come off at all for a few weeks? Also how long have you been doing that? I’m just curious. I have three kids and four grand kids. I have a vas when in my 30’s. If you were curious you cold get your sperm checked to see if you have any sociabears swimmin around in your muck, haa …paul74

    • November 10, 2020 at 1:15 pm
    Sociabear
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by paul74
    How old are you now? Do you come off at all for a few weeks? Also how long have you been doing that? I’m just curious. I have three kids and four grand kids. I have a vas when in my 30’s. If you were curious you cold get your sperm checked to see if you have any sociabears swimmin around in your muck, haa …paul74

    I am 25 now. I cleaned out for 2 months this year ( ran igf , ghrp, mod grf ) to prepare for my blast and cruise year long show prep this year.
    I was on from 19-22
    Off 22-23 ( I ran OTC pro hormones )
    Been on ever sense. I usually bridge with orals.
    This will be my first year straight with injects – hgh and insulin ( goal is to go pro by 30 at the latest)
    Yes my wife and I have had that discussion about checking the swimmers.

    • November 10, 2020 at 2:34 pm
    paul74
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by SociabearView
    I am 25 now. I cleaned out for 2 months this year ( ran igf , ghrp, mod grf ) to prepare for my blast and cruise year long show prep this year.
    I was on from 19-22
    Off 22-23 ( I ran OTC pro hormones )
    Been on ever sense. I usually bridge with orals.
    This will be my first year straight with injects – hgh and insulin ( goal is to go pro by 30 at the latest)
    Yes my wife and I have had that discussion about checking the swimmers.

    Got it, how cool..Thx….c mike

    PS: I would check ASAP so you could do some possible planning. Plans change but good to have goals with everything. No much to have is checked, easy to do and you’ll know if it’s still possible. It would be harder to handle both by you and your wife it the time comes and then you find out when she and you are ready and phsiced to have kids.Good luck …paul74

    • November 10, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    MuttonChop
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by KnavewandsView
    I’m thinking of doing a cycle of test when I turn 20 this year… I know this is kind of young, but I have VERY big dreams when it comes to TrueMaxding. The level I want to compete at requires steroids to be taken… By my 20th I would have been lifting for almost 2 years. I eat the same maBamb’s every day and am currently cutting to 10% BF… when I do the cycle of test I plan to be bulking… Thoughts on this?

    Also, is it better to do either hypertrophy or strength training when taking test? Currently I’m doing SS 3×5 and making some nice progress despite the fact I’m cutting.

    Thanks in advance guys?

    Just the fact that you are still making progress on Starting Strength means that you have a long way to go. Come back when you bench goes up by only 5 lbs every month.

    Not removing the spotlight from your age here, but you already know about that. I would give completely different adivice to a guy making noob gains at 20 vs. a guy who has trained for 6 years before 20 and wants to be pro at 25.

    • November 10, 2020 at 4:59 pm
    MuttonChop
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInkView
    I respect your input and appreciate that you’ve advised OP to wait, if for no other reason than his limited training experience.

    The problem with citing anecdotal experiences is that we can find any example to support our reasons to cycle or not. Does everyone who cycles before the magic number 25 endure complications? No. Does this mean then that everyone who cycles before their endocrine system has reached maturity will not have any complications? No. Just as you cited examples of kids (sorry, young men) who cycled at young ages and haven’t had any problems (at least not that they know of YET), there are plenty of threads here from young guys who have screwed themselves up. Moreover, some of our vets here would be the first to tell you THEY DID cycle at a young age and now have permanent problems to deal with.
    I’ve met people who have smoked and never developed cancer. I’ve met people who smoked and developed cancer. I’ve met people who never smoked and did develop cancer. So what do we conclude from this? Well, I certainly would never condone smoking.
    I’m not trying to imply that taking steroids is just as dangerous as smoking    ….however there are risks regardless and such risks are most certainly weighted more heavily against those who manipulate their endocrine system with steroids before it has fully developed.

    Again, I respect and appreciate your view and input, but I’d be very reluctant to encourage younger guys to cycle before they have reached maturity. You can take all the precautions you want and be as meticulous as possible, but you have no way of really knowing what the risks are of shutting down a developing HTPA….until it may be too late.

    Great line in bold. It’s funny how smoking is so so much worse than cycling but the public and medias have their priorities backwards and up their rectums.

    • November 10, 2020 at 6:16 pm
    brumbar
    Member
    Sorry to deviate a little bit from this but what I think is interesting is guys growth plates generally don’t close until 25 where almost all the articles I read about females that one two years after puberty a females growth plate closes and for the last bloomers generally by 18 a females is fully developed… I def think that’s true I was 12 when I hit puberty and by fourteen I never grew taller, my feet are still the same size … That just baffles me… The difference in men and women is like a decade…
    • November 13, 2020 at 1:22 am
    The Bear 79
    Member
    And girls are generally about 10 years smarter than guys…………..
    • November 13, 2020 at 2:51 am
    brumbar
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79View
    And girls are generally about 10 years smarter than guys…………..

    Yeah I actually agree with that I get along really well with guys who are in their mid thirties

    • February 7, 2021 at 7:53 am
    Exodus[kam]
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by KnavewandsView
    I’m thinking of doing a cycle of test when I turn 20 this year… I know this is kind of young, but I have VERY big dreams when it comes to TrueMaxding. The level I want to compete at requires steroids to be taken… By my 20th I would have been lifting ft or almost 2 years. I eat the same maBamb’s every day and am currently cutting to 10% BF… when I do the cycle of test I plan to be bulking… Thoughts on this?

    Also, is it better to do either hypertrophy or strength training when taking test? Currently I’m doing SS 3×5 and making some nice progress despite the fact I’m cutting.

    Thanks in advance guys?

    I feel you OP… I’m 20 about to be 21 and wanted to cycle cause all my boys have and their diets and training regimens are absolute s***, but they still look solid. I’ve posted a couple times on here about starting a cycle cause i get fed up with my friends they’re obviously getting bigger and stronger than me at a much much quicker rate, even though like i previously said Im much more dedicated. However the vets on here have scared the f*** outta me and Im gonna hold off on AAS until later on. Despite the fact my friends dont have any sides now Im sure they will as time passes by and you gotta ask yourself is it worth it? Think of it like this.. juicing now you most likely will lose your gains as youre still perfecting your diet, I learn each day. Not only that but no sex drive is a dealbreaker. Do yourself a favor stay natty til youre of age by that time youll have way more successful cycles, better results, and not as great of a risk

    • February 7, 2021 at 8:10 am
    MuttonChop
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79View
    And girls are generally about 10 years smarter than guys…………..

    No, they mature faster than men. You have your facts mixed, unless you were stating your personal opinion. Mature here refers to brain development changes. Men’s brains keep on changing until they are about 28, when they reach "homeostasis". The reason women mature faster is because they could potentially have to raise dark_sidelCrash007 from as early an age as 13 (youngest mother recorded was around 9 or so).

    • February 7, 2021 at 12:01 pm
    MickeyKnox
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by brumbarView
    Yeah I actually agree with that I get along really well with guys who are in their mid thirties

    What about guys in their mid 40’s?

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