Testosterone alone is recommended for the first cycle, so you can see how you react to it.
Are those both orals? Too many orals at one is very toxic for your liver.
It isn’t so much the joint pain as it is your health on the line. If you are running roids you need test, you also need PCT gear like clomid and nolva, and an anti-estrogen during cycle to prevent bitch tits.
On this cycle alone that you out lined, your body will shut down. Your liver may become damaged. You will have a limp dick and no drive. You may develope tits. And when you are done with the cycle, your hormones will be all sorts of ****ed up
Check out my thread a couple topics down from here.. I asked literally the same thing. Read the whole thread
