What role does deca play in a cycle?

Originally Posted by Slayer13

Something of interest that I found out, my wife is working on her PhD and one of her research projects currently relates to progesterone and pain. She is manipulating rat’s progesterone levels then testing their pain tolerance, it appears increased progesterone decreases felt pain / increases pain tolerance. The reason I find it so interesting is people claim Deca "lubricates their joints" and helps with their joint pain.

Deca can bind to progesterone receptors so I found this potential link interesting.

Just thought I’d toss that out there

It is intresting.
Why trenbolone , which seems to be a more powerful progestin than deca doesn’t have the famed supposed joint relief is strange though.

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I’m tired of hearing the expression "lubricate joints", anabolic steroids do nothing to the synovial fluid in joints!!

Nandrolone is a powerful anti inflammatory, even cystic acne inflammation will subside when starting deca. It might be that its acting in progesterone receptors, dont know. Just bugs me ppl keeping saying it heals or lubricates joints.

Or reverse osmosis. Lol!
But it seems to reduce pain is what they mean i guess.

Otherwise one could always try to buy some WD-40 and spray on all joints, perhaps with some baby oil as well.

I get what you mean BB, it’s just that nobody knows and broscience seem to think joints are like SimonS.

Originally Posted by LACOSTE

I take what you said about shut down and recovery to mean that using deca is much more suppressive to natural testosterone production compared to using just test?

Being a 19nor and a progestin as well as the long decanate ester, in Nan Deca , it’s the hardest compound to recover from!

One shot & your shut down immediately… also has Avery long detection time, it can stay in your system for up to 18months etc)

musitiontinite has posted if one PCT for a test/deca cycle doesn’t bring back your natty T production about 6-8wks after PCT is over, Then One’s best bet would be to run another PCT — first PCT I’d extend nolva to 6wks
Clomid 100/75/50/50 — Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Second if needed – 75/50/50/50 40/40/20/20(could throw 10/10 in as well) – obviously retest 6-8wks after PCT

Here’s musitiontinites exert from that post…
musitiontinite – below

Not really. I mean, no one really knows exactly what formula to use. Deca is likely the harshest steroid on your HPTA, therefore it is wise to extend PCT timing. The 2 week difference between the cycles mentioned (14 weeks vs 16 weeks) is not an impactful amount of time. 10 weeks vs. 18 weeks is a big difference and would call for a more aggressive PCT.

We have to remember that all of this is very individualistic and cannot be quantified with a formula, but based on history and how drugs interact with the majority, you can make judgment calls for the betterment of recovery. In other words, you can assume you’ll be OK, or you can take some extra measure to better your chances at recovery.

The best method in my opinion for the common cycles with Deca (12 to 14 weeks), is to extend PCT for 2 additional weeks. You can use Nolvadex and drop clomiphene after the 4th week. Then you would wait 6 to 8 weeks and confirm recovery with blood work. If the results fail, run another PCT for 4 weeks and retest. If you’re good, you’re good.