The young and Steroids

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- October 30, 2020 at 4:17 am
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marcus300
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Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I’ve seen personally over the last 25yrs I’ve been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn’t going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

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- November 28, 2020 at 2:20 am
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sambrown
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This post is very useful for newbie.
- November 28, 2020 at 3:38 am
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Hardy
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great read! i believe theirs curtain circumstances like if a athlete is trying to play pro ball or something and is willing to take the risk.
- November 28, 2020 at 4:33 am
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Sayrax
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This is exactly what I needed to read. Thanks a lot Marcus!!
- November 28, 2020 at 5:49 am
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marcus300
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Originally Posted by Sayrax

This is exactly what I needed to read. Thanks a lot Marcus!!

No problem
- November 28, 2020 at 7:04 am
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weeknd
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I’d like to see one of these for 40-50+ year olds. Being that old has to cause more difficulties with restarting the HPTA that struggles to produce the same amount of test/GH/LH and other hormones each year. Anyone ever think of this?

*Obviously this takes "development" of the equation tho.

Food for thought hmmm, maybe some of the guys on TRT linked to steroid use had this caused by their last cycle, not their first at a young age. Or you know just plain old abuse and bad protocol. I’m not knocking the post at all, just tossing out other view points on certain things.
- November 28, 2020 at 8:13 am
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Domus
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Originally Posted by weeknd

I’d like to see one of these for 40-50+ year olds. Being that old has to cause more difficulties with restarting the HPTA that struggles to produce the same amount of test/GH/LH and other hormones each year. Anyone ever think of this?

*Obviously this takes "development" of the equation tho.

Food for thought hmmm, maybe some of the guys on TRT linked to steroid use had this caused by their last cycle, not their first at a young age. Or you know just plain old abuse and bad protocol. I’m not knocking the post at all, just tossing out other view points on certain things.

40 and 50 year olds have already approached or approadark_sideng late onset hypogonadism. Restarting HPTA is the last thing on their mind.
- November 28, 2020 at 9:18 am
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weeknd
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Originally Posted by Domus

40 and 50 year olds have already approached or approadark_sideng late onset hypogonadism. Restarting HPTA is the last thing on their mind.

You lost me there. Are you implying HCG and not PCT is their primary concern bc it prevents/reverts hypogonadism?
- November 28, 2020 at 10:45 am
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Autre01
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Great post! Thank you for the valuable information.
I am 21 y.o. and I started an anadrol 50 cycle 5 days ago (my first cycle ever). After reading this article I am now going to stop and wait until I am at least 24-25 years old or maybe I will never use again.
I made substantial strength gains over the past 5 days and have gained a couple pounds but I cannot tell if it is a placebo or if it is a result of the drol. Is it possible that my gains have been a result of using drol for only 5 days? I am not stacking with any other steroids .

Also, can taking drol for only 5 days have an effect on my test levels in the future? I do not want to screw around with my hormones and that is why I decided to stop taking them as soon as i read this article. Should I be worried even though I stopped my cycle after 5 days?

sorry for the noobish questions
- November 28, 2020 at 12:04 pm
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marcus300
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We have a lot of young members at the moment thinking they know everything about steroids and its the answer to their dreams. It use to annoy me but now I laugh because I know exactly what they going to go through and believe me low test is like living every day in hell being anally abused
- November 28, 2020 at 1:00 pm
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Sad But True
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I think this should be pretty clear for most people. Athletes do the best in that age range naturally: 18-25. That is the prime age for top natural performance. So that should say something about TrueMaxding as well. I would also presume this is the prime age to gain muscle naturally. I am no scientist however and so even at the maximum natural ability to gain muscle, there will always be more growth opportunity synthetically via AAS. So the question really just becomes- what age are you done developing so you don’t ‘stunt’ your growth and regret it later on. That seems to be the main thing, just making sure you are done growing genetically.
- November 28, 2020 at 1:50 pm
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weeknd
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Originally Posted by Sad But True

I think this should be pretty clear for most people. Athletes do the best in that age range naturally: 18-25. That is the prime age for top natural performance. So that should say something about TrueMaxding as well. I would also presume this is the prime age to gain muscle naturally. I am no scientist however and so even at the maximum natural ability to gain muscle, there will always be more growth opportunity synthetically via AAS. So the question really just becomes- what age are you done developing so you don’t ‘stunt’ your growth and regret it later on. That seems to be the main thing, just making sure you are done growing genetically.

If your done growing naturally then a cycle will be paying $ to look good for/ enhance performance for x amount of months and then risking all the above effects (except being young and making things all crazy super fcked up apparently) just to come back to your genetic potential which 99% people will probably never reach unless you locked them in a gym with a kitchen for 10 years and then gave them a perfect nutrition plan, training regime and a Tempurpedic mattress.
- November 28, 2020 at 2:43 pm
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MalignantTyrant
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Originally Posted by marcus300

please no one listen to this kid, he doesn’t know anything about what he is going to do to his body and hecan obtain his goals naturally if only he had the mentality to properly train correctly and understand foods.

Do you honestly think that someone like myself can look like someone like Batista naturally? Even with proper diet and training? Pfft, sure, whatever.
I understand what you’re getting at, but I have my doubts
- November 28, 2020 at 4:11 pm
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OdinsOtherSon
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Originally Posted by MalignantTyrant

Do you honestly think that someone like myself can look like someone like Batista naturally? Even with proper diet and training? Pfft, sure, whatever.
I understand what you’re getting at, but I have my doubts

Not the most stellar of first posts, especially in reply to a member such as marcus300, but, oh well. Welcome.
- November 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm
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Luccuss
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most people my age will just say, yeah whateva..
so i would recommend putting down both options, let them know the details of ages n effects but also give them a cycle that they can use, and if they use properly they will not be in the way of any harm, i know people who supply heavy anabolics for first time users. i recommend just put up a cycle, very easy to understand as if a 12yr old was reading, including how much to eat, what to eat and what not to eat for either gaining just muscle, just bulk or inbetween,(sounds bad) but its better than getting it from black market and having no idea of whats happening. thankyou.
- December 1, 2020 at 1:11 am
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numbere
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Originally Posted by Luccuss

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most people my age will just say, yeah whateva..
so i would recommend putting down both options, let them know the details of ages n effects but also give them a cycle that they can use, and if they use properly they will not be in the way of any harm, i know people who supply heavy anabolics for first time users. i recommend just put up a cycle, very easy to understand as if a 12yr old was reading, including how much to eat, what to eat and what not to eat for either gaining just muscle, just bulk or inbetween,(sounds bad) but its better than getting it from black market and having no idea of whats happening. thankyou.

I would recommend that if you would like to see a thread written to spoon feed young men how to cycle that you do the research and compile it yourself. You can be the forum’s specialist on cycling with an undeveloped endocrine system. No no one on this forum who fully comprehends the dangers of cycling at young age would make a thread like that because it completely undermines the morals of this board. There are many reasons why this is the best AAS forum on the internet. One of those reasons is the overlying stance on AAS use and the young. You may be aware of the risks but you don’t fully understand them because if you did then you would know there is no such thing as safe cycling at a young age. Welcome to the forum!