The young and Steroids

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    • October 30, 2020 at 4:17 am
    marcus300
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    Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

    There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I’ve seen personally over the last 25yrs I’ve been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn’t going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
    Marcus

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    • November 19, 2020 at 2:42 am
    robinjohn12
    Member
    now a days people want all thing fast, so they use it for their body building.
    • November 19, 2020 at 3:53 am
    tigerspawn
    Member
    Im glad to hear that there are body builders out there that tell people not to use. With my job I have had the oportunity to travel around the country and work out in many different gyms. Its sad to say but in every gym I have ever worked out in they push gear. Young guys are told that the only way to gain is to use. They are introduced to dealers and told what to buy and how to use. Thats BS most of these guys are still teenagers and havent even spent the time to get big naturlly.
    • November 19, 2020 at 4:46 am
    Zeus
    Member
    [QUOTE=marcus300;5378651]Due to the recent number of PM’s ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i’d write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

    There isn’t an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone’s genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.
    I am 15 185 pounds 5’7 1/2 over weight and want to cut down my older friend (34 ) could help me cut down and muscle up I want to know the effects and what well happen plz help me thanks

    • November 19, 2020 at 6:02 am
    Martinec
    Member
    Awesome read Marcus, thanks for the info… Been trying to get a hold of some test Enanthate , but so far no luck, so I think I am gonna try the test 600 and deca 200 together. Any suggestions?

    QUICK EDIT: I have been on pain killers for 4 years, due to broken spine… So that is why I am so young and have low test. I am trying to rely on the test only for a natural pain killer. I remember my first cycle of 400mg week I went from 149 to 173 in 1 month. I was told by the guys at the gym, that those were not usual results. Some of them didn’t feel I really did have low test, but test show otherwise. I noticed the test cured my depression, I grew 2 inch on my libido, I woke up every morning super happy.. I mean, had tons of bills, Normally wake up in pain, but I was waking up happy and excited, and I was eating better. Could NOT control the Acne though, Hope you pro’s have some tips for that.

    Keep in mind, this was all my first cycle. 2nd cycle was with cypinate and the results were awful. Lost all the weight and more so…. Became angry and irritated, started feeling the spinal pain again.

    I am sure my cycles were done wrong, dosages were way off I’m sure… Total noobness, So please no mean comments..

    • November 19, 2020 at 7:05 am
    marcus300
    Member
    to the top
    • November 19, 2020 at 8:26 am
    marcus300
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    A must read
    • November 19, 2020 at 9:59 am
    marcus300
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    to the top
    • November 19, 2020 at 10:54 am
    leff
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by RMNView
    I’m so fking sick of the Arnold excuse. Kids these days are so quick to jump the gun and be followers rather than leaders.

    He also has hundreds of millions and can afford the best treatments available to anyone. Probably some not available to any but the super rich and connected. Can’t compare yourself to Arnie unless you plan to go after Mr. O and make a career of this. MO.

    • November 19, 2020 at 12:02 pm
    Tonka8
    Member
    Great post
    • November 19, 2020 at 1:27 pm
    Semageo
    Member
    thanks for the advice and especially the plausible explantions
    • November 19, 2020 at 2:27 pm
    STAGE
    Member
    I need a little help I started my first cycle test E 300 its gonna be 8 week cycle I need to know what to get for pct and should I take anything during cycle
    • November 19, 2020 at 3:57 pm
    Domus
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by STAGEView
    I need a little help I started my first cycle test E 300 its gonna be 8 week cycle I need to know what to get for pct and should I take anything during cycle

    Please start a new thread and list all of your stats.

    • November 19, 2020 at 5:21 pm
    STAGE
    Member
    I need a little help I started my first cycle test E 300 its gonna be 8 week cycle I need to know what to get for pct and should I take anything during cycle
    • November 19, 2020 at 6:21 pm
    Sathane
    Member
    I’m definitely not ‘too young’ (34 y/o) so any irreversible changes would be caused by incorrect dosing, correct? Or is there a huge risk regardless?
    • November 24, 2020 at 12:51 am
    ppwc1985
    Member
    Quote Originally Posted by Sathane
    I’m definitely not ‘too young’ (34 y/o) so any irreversible changes would be caused by incorrect dosing, correct? Or is there a huge risk regardless?

    No, I’m going to throw my story here. I did some oral cycles back in my mid 20’s. but never had no problems. Fast forward to jan 2012, to make long story short I did 6 week cycle of var, never had issues back in the day and did not have no problem after this one. Fast forward to June , I found this site so learned I shouldn’t do oral only cycle. Mt test was in the 600-700 range before my next cycle which I started in June. 500 mg test cyp ew, 100 mg var Ed liquid stane 12.5 mg Ed. No Hcg . 12 week cycle went very well. Finished, Pct in oct, I just chose novldex. I did not come back right. Started losing energy, added bodyfat, and no ejaculation. I’m 46 now and into my 6 th week of trt for the rest of my life. Like my dr, who is o e of the top guys in trt said, some guys can do gear all their life and they will be fine and others like me messed myself up for 15 lbs Lbm. Was it worth it, HELL NO. I could have added that 15 lbs naturally, but I decided to take a shortcut just like 75% of users. It’s not worth it. Stay natural unless you plan on being a pro TrueMaxder.

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