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  • weightlifter
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    Thank you
    weightlifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by _ironrob_View
    What is your goal? I’m not sure I got it exactly.

    The numbers in your latest results look like pretty average numbers, so if you were trying to get back to ‘normal’, looks like you made it. Prolactin is a bit high but you are working on that, I think?

    Have you tried Clomid? It is generally affects the HPTA better than Nolvadex.

    With these levels of test, I don’t think I "made it". I am almost at the bottom. I think I should be more in the upper half of it to make it. I still feel very unmotivated, lack of energy, almost zero libido, etc.

    I haven’t tried clomid alone. I am considering that option for my next move.

    weightlifter
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    Hi guys,

    got my lab results back from last week. Five weeks post nolva therapy.

    The testosterone is low again. So no benefit from mono nolva therapy.

    Results:

    Prolactin: 20,5 ng/ml —–> 2,5-17
    LH: 4,3 mIU/ml —–> 0,1-7,6
    FSH: 5,9 mIU/ml —–> 0,1-11,1
    SHRonin: 31,2 nmol/l —–> 13-71
    Test: 307 ng/dl —–> 249-853
    Free T: 6,1 ng/dl —–> 5,7-17,8

    So it has been almost two years now since I have been shut down. I have tried beeing patient, I have tried caber for the prolaktin, helped for it, but did nothing for the HPTA. I have tried nolvadex for 6 weeks, nothing.

    Ahhh, whatever

    weightlifter
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    So I did my BW today. I know I should have waited for few weeks, but I was curious what Nolva did… I stopped Nolva on Monday, so it is still in the System.

    I took it primarily for my Gyno symptoms, but I was hoping it will also do something for my low T. The lump is sadly still there. I also still lactate.

    I did 6 weeks, 10/20/20/20/20/10.

    Numbers:

    LH: 6,9 mIU/ml (before 5,9)
    FSH: 5,9 mIU/ml (before 6,1)
    Total T: 1176,2 ng/dl (before 223)
    SHRonin: 57 nmol/l (before 35)
    Estradiol: 21,2 ng/l (before 23,2)
    Prolactin: 13,8 ng/ml (before 8,3)
    Progesteron: 0,2 ug/l (before 0,1)

    So, sadly I don’t have the free T number. They would have to send it to another lab, so I decided not to do it (I regret).

    The Total T is very questionable to me, especially, because there is no abnormal LH or FSH activity, so not sure where could that come from. I am assuming lab mistake. I also don’t feel any boost, so not sure about that number.

    SHGB is also much higher, so if I remember correctly, that means it binds more of my free T, leaving less for the body to use.

    Estrogen is also pretty surprising I guess, it did not elevate even a bit.

    Cheers

    weightlifter
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    Bump My 6th week is comig to an end. Would be great to know if I need to taper down…
    weightlifter
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    Anyone?
    weightlifter
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    Hi guys,

    so it’s the end of my fifth week of Nolva. I did first week (5 days) 10mg and then after the advice from Windex, I bumped to 20mg. I did another 4 weeks and tomorrow starts the 6th week.

    So, I wanted to lower the dose back to 10mg and then do another week of 5mg, if I have to tapper down. Do I? If not, I will just do another 7 days 10mg and that’s it.

    I can’t seem to notice any difference in anything. Not on the libido, nor sperm or my weel being. The lump in the left nipple is still there. The milk is there.

    I will do some BW, couse I’m curious if Nolva did anything. After I finish my next week, I was thinking about waiting two or three weeks and then try HCG for few weeks, followed by Nolva+Clomid again.,

    Any thoughts?

    weightlifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoyView
    this is my most blunt advice . if your natty test levels are basically crashed and you need to be on TRT , then I wouldn’t waste my time with pct protools . I’d get on 150mg a week of test, 350mg of mast, and then run 20mg of nolva and 10mg a day of Halotestin (and if sex drive is an issue still, add in some proviron and cialis). within 3-4 weeks your gyno issues will likely subside, your sex drive through the roof, and you’ll feel like a beast.. then come off and just cruise on a little bit of test

    Thanks for the input OldBoy. I don’t know if I have to be on TRT yet. My levels are chrashed, but I was hoping to try restarting my HPTA, before going on TRT.

    I had a debate in my other thread (wrote about it in the post #6) about, whether I should do a Power PCT or some kind of restart protocol for my HPTA, due to having a low T.

    But there is also this other lactating problem that I have and to make it all worse, I got gyno symptoms recently.

    So that’s why I decided to go with the Nolva.

    I would love to hop back on the testo and drive my levels into the sky and feel like a beast, but I was thinking to give myself a chance of recovery and see if I can get on my normal T levels naturally.

    I wrote a lab and managed to get some BW from year 2013, when I was all natty. I assume that’s total T. Seems good.

    Estradiol: 23,5 ng/L —–> 7,6 – 42 ng/L
    Testosteron: 6,55 ng/L —–> 2,8 – 8 ng/L

    weightlifter
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    Hi guys.

    I was just reading this sticky thread about the PCT here on the forum:

    In the first post from the OP, there is this paragraph, saying…

    "What might a typical PCT look like?
    Weeks 1-4 100mg of Clomid (SERM) and 25mg of Aromasin (AI)

    Why not nolva? Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. MaBambphage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with MaBamb, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI’s can.

    What are some support supplements that I should be concerned with? Go to the supplement forum and examine, closely, Bryan2’s stickie on cholesterol, liver, and blood pressure support supplements.

    Because SD and PP are progestins, they can be hard on your libido and your ability to have erections, during PCT. I’ve found that 800-1200mg of tongkat ali to be a good choice for libido purposes. As for the ability to have erections, then the cialis (or viagra) is the only way to go. I prefer cialis because it stays in your system for 36 hours. This lets you be more spontaneous, which your woman will appreciate."

    Does this only apply, if you are experiencing gyno on those two compounds? (Superdrol and pheraplex)

    This kinda scared me, being on the nolva for the gyno symptoms at the moment.

    weightlifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindexView
    1. No
    2. No
    3. 5 Weeks after Tamoxifen is discontinued

    I would wager you might want 15-20mg for 6 weeks rather than 10mg.

    Thank you. Will do.

    weightlifter
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    So, I started Nolva. I will be taking 10mg ED. The plan is six weeks, but will see. Would have a few questions for you guys…

    1. Should I be worried about the potentialy elevated estradiol from Nolva?
    2. Can Nolva indirectly cause elevated prolactin? Elevated Estradiol = Elevated Prolactin??
    3. Should I do BW now, in between or after the therapy?

    Cheers

    weightlifter
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    No, sadly I don’t have BW before my first cycle. But I think I was ok. I had no trouble being lean, with decent mass. 86-88kg, around 12% BF @ 6ft Height.

    I also think my gear was ok. At least the Testo. Not sure about the Wini. I gained about 7kg and stayed lean or got even leaner. I was a beast ))))

    But everything went sideways after that. I think I fucked up for not using HCG on my first cycle. Stupid ass. Nolva was probably just not enough. Or I didn’t give myself enough time to recover. Although I was off for 5 months after that.

    So yeah, who knows.

    Let’s not argue here tho. I think Windex never advised me to hop on the gear, he advised me against it. I think what he meant was, that after I resolve my boob problem, I will probably need HRT/TRT. Not now.

    So I want to start Nolva today. Just not sure if I should go PCT dose like 40/40/20/20 or 10/10/10/10/10/10. I am leaning more towards second option.

    weightlifter
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    Thanks OldBoy.

    So I’ll try to be as short as possible.

    First cycle: July-Sep 2015, Test.Enanthate 500mg/week (12 weeks) + Week 7-12 30mg Winstrol ED, PCT only nolva 40/40/20/20

    I think I didn’t recover well, because I felt low energy and sleepy all the time, so I jumped back on in April 2016. I never did the blood work. I was stupid and didn’t do my research. My hormones were probably a mess at this point already.

    So in April 2016 I jumped back on 500mg Test.Enanthate and noticed nipple pain and a lump almost immediately, so I lowered the dose to 250mg/week and took some Arimidex for two weeks I think. It resolved, pain went away and lump also. I stayed on Testo since then, until I wanted to stop in 2017 when I also opened this thread:

    So that’s it. I never recovered and I don’t know what to do. Doctors don’t know either (at least not the ones I’ve met).

    On top of that, I’ve recently had a nipple pain again and a lump. I thought it was because of the prolactin raising back, but it was still in range, so I have no clue what was/is happening. The pain went away though, but the lump stayed. Mammography confirmed some tissue.

    That’s the whole story.

    weightlifter
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    Thanks OldBoy for this explanation.

    So, if I understand you correctly, there is no need to ad AI… What happens with the excess of estrogen, when discontinuing Nolvadex then?

    Is there any way of knowing how much of AI is too much?

    I am not using any androgens, I actually have low T, normal E2 and slight gyno with lactation.

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