Does HCG build muscle?

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    • October 30, 2020 at 5:17 am
     rubsd
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    Don’t shoot me if its a stupid question but just curious if HCG builds muscle? What are the sides of it?

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    • October 30, 2020 at 5:23 am
    Test Monsterone
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    Nope. HCG stimulates your testicles to produce testosterone , so you can take a crapload of HCG but you are limited by how much test your own body can produce. I’m not sure if studies were done on long-term high doses. Either way, you’d be suppressing LH, so when you’d come off HCG, it would be the same thing as coming off a cycle essentially, and your body would go into testosterone deficiency at that point. Might as well use actual test.

    • October 30, 2020 at 7:56 am
     rubsd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test MonsteroneView
    Nope. HCG stimulates your testicles to produce testosterone, so you can take a crapload of HCG but you are limited by how much test your own body can produce. I’m not sure if studies were done on long-term high doses. Either way, you’d be suppressing LH, so when you’d come off HCG, it would be the same thing as coming off a cycle essentially, and your body would go into testosterone deficiency at that point. Might as well use actual test.

    got ya but let me rephrase the question. If you ran a PCT with just Clomid and Nolva and you didnt recover how you would like. Would adding in some HCG at the end increase test levels thus cause gains simply by bringing your natural levels back up?

    • October 30, 2020 at 9:39 am
    Test Monsterone
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    Quote Originally Posted by  rubsdView
    got ya but let me rephrase the question. If you ran a PCT with just Clomid and Nolva and you didnt recover how you would like. Would adding in some HCG at the end increase test levels thus cause gains simply by bringing your natural levels back up?

    That’s a complicated question because we don’t know how badly your testicles were shut down vs the inhibited secretion of LH from your pituitary. Primary hypogonadism is a physical problem with the testes not producing enough test. Secondary hypogonadism is problem with the secretion of LH/FSH in the pituitary that triggers the production of test in the testes. Either can present the same symptoms of lower testosterone . If you have primary hypogonadism with normal LH/FSH secretion, then you can take all the HCG in the world and it won’t make a difference. If you have secondary hypogonadism, then taking HCG will further suppress your brain from creating LH (and consequently testosterone). If you have a little of both, HCG may stimulate the testes to produce more test, but at the same time will be suppressing the natural production of LH, which will be down-regulated until you discontinue HCG. At that point your pituitary will need to recover.

    It’s a question of what needs to recover more, and which takes longer to recover, the testes or the pituitary? I’m not sure I know the answer to that or if there is a standard answer.

    Personally, trying to H10 a life of on cycle/off cycle while coming completely off of steroids was not worth it for me, so I opted to wait until I got on permanently (blast/cruise/trt).

    • November 10, 2020 at 12:57 am
    renepjd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test MonsteroneView
    That’s a complicated question because we don’t know how badly your testicles were shut down vs the inhibited secretion of LH from your pituitary. Primary hypogonadism is a physical problem with the testes not producing enough test. Secondary hypogonadism is problem with the secretion of LH/FSH in the pituitary that triggers the production of test in the testes. Either can present the same symptoms of lower testosterone . If you have primary hypogonadism with normal LH/FSH secretion, then you can take all the HCG in the world and it won’t make a difference. If you have secondary hypogonadism, then taking HCG will further suppress your brain from creating LH (and consequently testosterone). If you have a little of both, HCG may stimulate the testes to produce more test, but at the same time will be suppressing the natural production of LH, which will be down-regulated until you discontinue HCG. At that point your pituitary will need to recover.

    It’s a question of what needs to recover more, and which takes longer to recover, the testes or the pituitary? I’m not sure I know the answer to that or if there is a standard answer.

    Personally, trying to H10 a life of on cycle/off cycle while coming completely off of steroids was not worth it for me, so I opted to wait until I got on permanently (blast/cruise/trt).

    Well said.

    • November 10, 2020 at 2:03 am
    magic32
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    Quote Originally Posted by  rubsdView
    got ya but let me rephrase the question. If you ran a PCT with just Clomid and Nolva and you didnt recover how you would like. Would adding in some HCG at the end increase test levels thus cause gains simply by bringing your natural levels back up?

    You’re overthinking the problem. Look at it this way, if natty is below baseline and you’re trying to restore it, that only brings you back up into the normal range.

    Which although certainly conducive to building muscle, isn’t going to create hyperanabolism – the reason we run aas cycles. Thus, the restoration of natty is only for normal processes, not to as you queried, "…cause gains…"

    • November 10, 2020 at 3:06 am
    OldBoy
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    protein synthesis coupled with hormones like insulin that drive nutrients into muscle cells builds muscle when there is a stimulus need (receptor signaling for the cell)

    HCG has nothing to do with any of that..

    hard training and food/nutrition do. thats what provides all the co factors for muscle building.

    now sure AAS will bind to receptors and up regulate a lot of different processes, like protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, glycogen super compensation, etc..by communicating with cells.

    but HCG has nothing to do with any of this.. boosting natural test levels doesn’t either. it doesn’t work on a linear basis. meaning as natty test levels increase muscle building capacity increase along with it. it doesn’t work that way . your natty test could be 300 or it could get boosted to 600 and your not getting any more muscle building capacity out of that.

    getting better nutrition in place and proper training (stimulus) is what builds muscle.. HCG , not so much

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